A wing chun sifu just told me that he has yet to meet a praying mantis sifu that he can’t beat up.
Have any of you ever fought with wing chun? How did praying mantis stack up?
I’ve never met a Wing Chun Sifu who didn’t want to give up Wing Chun in order to study Praying Mantis.
I’ve never met a Wing Chun Sifu!
this is a really silly topic/post
I mean it - a really silly topic.
It comes down to the practicioner, not the style.
I’ve met people who studied both and gained a lot from doing so - they compliment each other.
Wing Chun has also had an influence on some PM teachers.
There are good and bad schools within each style, too.
Oh now this is just silly.
Stacy,
Your wing chun sifu friend should get out and meet more Mantis sifus. He’s in for a surprise.
Mighty B,
You shoule get out and meet more Wing Chun Sifus. You’d be surprised.
fight every style
You need to try your MA on every style every chance you get.
i understand the WC guys point of view.
They have 3 forms and spend most time fighting.
Many PM guys have way too many forms.
What happened to PM’s origial 3 forms?
Isn’t 3 enough?
I spent a lot of time with WC folks of different branches.
Technically speaking, WC has a method of dealing with all PM techniques and vice versa.
So if the WC guy fights with his partners while the PM guy is still reviewing his forms who do you think will win?
a praying mantis fighter should be able to defeat a wing chun fighter. praying mantis covers all ranges of fighting so therefore they should have the advantage. plus, praying mantis is probably the most aggressive style of kung fu created. so whoever this guy is who beat all these mantis fighters, he should find someone with lots of experience and see if he can beat him
You can’t be serious…Right???
Originally posted by 7*mantiskid
plus, praying mantis is probably the most aggressive style of kung fu created.
7*mantiskid,
I started to say something about your post ,but i’ll leave it alone.Just remember that there are many styles of kung fu that are aggressive.It’s good for someone to believe in their style ,but don’t ever fool yourself about one being superior to another.
jmd:)
It doesn’t matter which one is better,
cause BJJ can beat them both 
LOL.
No doubt about it…You’re right
Originally posted by KnightSabre
[B]It doesn’t matter which one is better,
cause BJJ can beat them both
LOL. [/B]
:rolleyes:
jmd
bwahahaha this is hilarious 
BJJ…
yep that’s right BJJ is superior in the old words of the mythical Ralek. Oh how we laughed back then too!!!
This thread reminds me of “BJJ…best…yadda…********” stuff.
wow, thanks Stacy
I finally have a reason to use the ignore feature.
Personnally, I never liked Wing Chun. If I had the chance, I would do Mantis. If I was doing Mantis, i’d kick the stuffing out of alot of people. If I was doing Wing Chun I’d get kicked.
Why you ask?? Because Mantis better suites Me, that’s why.
The art must fit the practitioner. If it does not, your not going to be very good at it. You have to enjoy what your doing. Have fun with it.
If I could just get some consistant training partners i’d beat the stuffing out of everyone wiht the Tai tzu I am learning off of video. Why, because I’m passionate about it. I love the research, the testing, the experimenting that comes from self study.
As for the whole “3 forms” thing, I tend to agree. In my book a dozen forms is more then enough to last a life time. Heck, I don’t want to ever be very good at more than 9. 3 basic sets, 3 intermediate sets, and 3 advanced sets.
I supose it’s ok to “Play” with more than that, but you need solid mastery in a few FIRST
Many styles today have 30, 40 or even 100 forms in them. I think that is an aweful lot to really master, and it is probably not even possible. If you can figure out which Mantis sets were the first, I would want to learn those and master them first, and forget the rest untill much, much later, if at all.
I say “If you want to collect forms, collect them on video”
3 forms
The first 3 forms are
Beng Bu
Luan jie
8 Elbows
They are not basic forms, but some later made forms are basic.
There are other older forms but they are all extinct now.
BJJ schools have teachers who weren’t afraid to spar or fight with others, other kung fu styles should be this way if they want to talk about fight effectiveness.
7* mantiskid.
How do you figure mantis is the most aggressive?
Have you compared it to many other styles in free fighting?
Now this is the way KFO used to be before Sams article was posted on Mousels. That was a good time.
Tainan Mantis posted:
The first 3 forms are
Beng Bu
Luan jie
8 Elbows
“They are not basic forms, but some later made forms are basic.
There are other older forms but they are all extinct now.”
How do we really know this?
Where was this info acquired?
And what were the other forms that are now extinct?
Skard1
Skarbromantis
I’m not sure where he got his info, but My Tai Tzu Sifu learned 7* Mantis long before he was doing Tai tzu,and his lineage seems to know the first original 3 forms as well.
I don’t remeber all the names of them, but Bung Bo (Beng Bu) is suposed to be the very first of the original 3.
The fact that Tainan Mantis is in Tawian, and My Sifu is here tells me that the two lines are probably unrelated to one another. Since that is so, and both lines are in aggreement as to Bung Bo being one of the original 3, I’d say that at least gives strong credibility to his statemnet.
In my Tai Tzu research, I have found that looking at a number of unrelated lines, and comparing what they have in common has been a great asset in authenticateing information.
For example, If I have 3 lines that all agrree on the existance, structure and mechanics of a certain branch of the style, and then I have another that is way out in left field, or the curriclem resembles something normally thought of as a seperate and distinct art, (like well known internal arts) I think it’s safe to say the 3 that aggree are correct, and the other is not.
Through this method of comparison of as many different unrelated sources as possible, one can figure things out, and be relatively confidiant what the truth is.
Skarbromantis
Liang Hsuehsiang’s manuscript lists beng bu, Luan jie and 8 Elbows as the original three forms.
Many branches of PM trace to him thru his students.
His students made and altered more forms and added them to the curriculum.
A supposedly older manuscript, from the mysterious Hseng Hsiao, lists PM forms that seem to be extinct.
Also, the names of those forms match the style given to form names from ancient days, such as “6 roads of mantis.”
He includes names, theory as well as applications.
If you are in 7* PM than your theory is traced directly to this figure, or at least to manuscripts attributed to him.
He also has the oldest known manuscript on 18 Lohan, includes poems and drawings.
Maybe we could go into more details on the mantis forum