power issue has limits for certain kicks.
spinning kicks or tornado kicks
not done right hurt your spine—
so what is your best kicking method?
thai or other wise
my favorite are golden scissor and scorpion kicks
they exist in shaolin and mantis
they are hidden kicks, you do not need immense power to do damage.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1049032]LOL… before, you were giving people a hard time for generalizing. Make up your mind. Are you going to be giving people a hard time for generalizing about kung fu or are you going to give them a hard time about talking about specific instances?
Try to at least be consistent with your clueless b.s.
Most kicks against resisting opponents require one to drop a hand for counterbalancing and developing power. Of course, systems or people that don’t fight and compete regularly haven’t figured this out.
With experience comes the ability to spot bullcr@p.[/QUOTE]
lol, you think very highly of yourself don’t you.
dude, krabi krabong with sticks is NOT Krabi Krabong. But I guess your watered down crap is supposed to better than someone elses?
very funny. and say, clueless is what’s in your mirror in the morning. :rolleyes:
and for your take on kicks? You don’t know much about kicks do you. I’d say that it would appear by all merit of what you have said and presented that you know very little if anything about kicks, training kicks etc and merely jump on the bandwagon of those that fall closely into your narrow little view that you claim is experience with depth.
It’s experience, but yours doesn’t trump anyone elses.
anyway, keep chirping little birdy, at least you like your little simple song. lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1048991]bag training? really?
can you guys put up even more boring videos? lol
pad training shows more…how about a pad training drill? lol[/QUOTE]
There is a link to his pad work after that clip is over.
You can learn more from bag and pad drills than seeing an actual fight.
During bag and pad drills you can focus on the guys supporting leg, see how his hips open, how the knee and shin follow-through, how the arms move and how his stances changes, how he recovers, how he moves around, how much or how little he steps, etc, etc.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1049046]power issue has limits for certain kicks.
spinning kicks or tornado kicks
not done right hurt your spine—
so what is your best kicking method?
thai or other wise[/QUOTE]
Ones that work… certainly not tornado kicks.
A spinning back kick (ala Kung Le) hurts your spine? Give me a break. Do people really think like this?
LOL @ being worried about developing “too much” power.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1049048]my favorite are golden scissor and scorpion kicks
they exist in shaolin and mantis
they are hidden kicks, you do not need immense power to do damage.
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Um… what kind of damage? You mean the type that the theoretical, non-fighting forms teach people to believe would happen if they actually were to do them for real someday?
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1049051]Ones that work… certainly not tornado kicks.
A spinning back kick (ala Kung Le) hurts your spine? Give me a break. Do people really think like this?
LOL @ being worried about developing “too much” power.[/QUOTE]
read much? apparently not. lol
@sanjuro- not the point I was making. I understand what you mean though.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1049057]Um… what kind of damage? You mean the type that the theoretical, non-fighting forms teach people to believe would happen if they actually were to do them for real someday?[/QUOTE]
just can’t keep your fingers off of someone else keyboard eh?
You have serious issues dude. Seriously, every thread indicates something is wrong with your head. :rolleyes:
yeesh.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1049049]
and for your take on kicks? You don’t know much about kicks do you. I’d say that it would appear by all merit of what you have said and presented that you know very little if anything about kicks, training kicks etc and merely jump on the bandwagon of those that fall closely into your narrow little view that you claim is experience with depth.
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LOL…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3R4xtjl5b4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb6BbwKiPHQ
Notice how people who are fighting full contact almost always drop an arm down. That’s because, when you fight full contact you HAVE to do that. Otherwise your kicks have no effect and you get your @ss kicked. People who fight full-on figure that out pretty quickly (and even faster when they have had instruction from knowledgeable instructors).
Of course, you wouldn’t understand any of that.
knife
Can you explain the difference for having the hand swing down as opposed to having the hand stay up in guard? I have always trained with my hand staying up in guard to protect the head. I usually just practice on bags, motionless and swinging, and i’ve never noticed a difference in keeping my hands one way or the other. Balance and power seemed the same?
Your insight is appreciated.
[QUOTE=iunojupiter;1049093]Can you explain the difference for having the hand swing down as opposed to having the hand stay up in guard? I have always trained with my hand staying up in guard to protect the head. I usually just practice on bags, motionless and swinging, and i’ve never noticed a difference in keeping my hands one way or the other. Balance and power seemed the same?
Your insight is appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Dropping the hand down acts as a counterbalance and is needed in developing power. Watch any full contact fight that involves kicking and you will see examples of that… everything from MMA, to Muay Thai, to K1, to Kyokushinkai does this because they have to.
Theoretically, it would be beneficial to guard the head while kicking (which is why the theoretical non-fighters think you should fight that way). However, as a practical matter, you can’t guard the head and develop enough power to make your kicks effective against a resisting opponent who is striking back.
The drawbacks of having less effective kicks by keeping the hands up outweigh the drawbacks of dropping the hand to have better kicks. Fight a couple of full contact matches against competitive kickboxers and you will quickly discover this.
Two kinds of roundhouse kicks I was taught in Pai Lum:
Snapping Roundhouse: Chamber, Pivot the hip, throw the kick hitting with the bal of the foot or instep, rechamber, back in stance
Power Roundhouse: Slight chamber, turn the hips down while throwing a low kick or roll the hips up if throwing a head kick, hitting with the shin. I always have dropped my hand on the side the kick is being thrown, it adds to the torque and power generated with the kick. Also, there is still a slight rechamber with this kick but not as much as with snapping.
As for which is better, power RH will always be a more powerful kick and inflict more damage, but I have also developed a nice snapping roundhouse, especially from my front leg. That being said, any snap kick is not going to compare to a power kick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K42GsTba1-o&feature=related
somebody will get kicks out of this clip.
it kicks or it rocks.
which one is better?
the ones with beer
whatever floats your boat?
I meant power kicks the german way
or swedish way.
power kicks the beer way.
thanks
Thanks for the response. I can see the theory behind the counterbalance, but the math involved doesn’t sound right. Then again, the math in human physiology doesn’t always add up like you think it would.
Like I said, kicking the bags, I’ve never seen a difference in the kick between hands up or down. I get the bag swinging and hit it on it’s way back and can stop a 100lb heavy bag and get it to fold a bit. I guess I’d have to compete and go both theories until one proved the other.
To me, it seems like swinging the arm is just a mental thing. You think it gives you more oomph, therefore it does. But, like I said. I’d have to compete to test what you say about it, so. We’ll find out when and if I get there.
Thanks
Swinging the bag and then hitting is does NOT demonstrate power, but the “solidness” of your stance.
When hitting the bag as it swings back there is more force produced on impact due to the movement of the bag coming back at you and your leg hitting the bag.
It is also used by fighters to help with footwork and timing, not to “measure” the power of the kick.
For ever action you do, your body naturally produces an opposite reaction that makes the action “better”.
When we run and our right leg goes out which arms goes back?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1049136]Swinging the bag and then hitting is does NOT demonstrate power, but the “solidness” of your stance.
When hitting the bag as it swings back there is more force produced on impact due to the movement of the bag coming back at you and your leg hitting the bag.
It is also used by fighters to help with footwork and timing, not to “measure” the power of the kick.
For ever action you do, your body naturally produces an opposite reaction that makes the action “better”.
When we run and our right leg goes out which arms goes back?[/QUOTE]
true, the bag swinging is more to check your force feedback ability (standing) than it is to develop the kicking power although it’s good to blast it in this type of exercise.
@knife. Did I say that dropping hand is bad? NO, I just said it’s not the same with every kick and roundhouses are done a little differently depending on where you go. as muay thai drops the hand and most mma guys look to muay thai for their kicks, they do it that way too.
doesn’t mean it’s better, just means there is a convergence point in the training methods for guys that fight in those venues.
you put your hands down on a push kick? how about a stopper to the shin? drop em then?
and here’s a secret for you, shaolin kung fu does not use a round house kick at all. If you see it in a performance, it’s a recent addition or a wu shu thing, but if you go through the materials from the early 1900’s you’d be hard pressed to find a round house kick. Crescent? sure, lotus? sure? round house? no.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1049032]Most kicks against resisting opponents require one to drop a hand for counterbalancing and developing power. Of course, systems or people that don’t fight and compete regularly haven’t figured this out..[/QUOTE]
Actually mr experience it depends on the individual Not everyone needs to drop the hand for balance of power some do but some dont
[QUOTE=goju;1049270]Actually mr experience it depends on the individual Not everyone needs to drop the hand for balance of power some do but some dont
http://www.musashi.nl/gif/andyhug010.jpg
http://www.irankickbox.com/images/news/andy_hug.jpg[/QUOTE]
Umm… in neither of those pics is the hand held up. It is down by the hip in both of the pics. That’s where the arm drops… down by the hip.
Now I see why you fail to understand everything anyone posts.
you never drop your guard /hand during a kick EVER!. we call this slot machining and it is a very bad habit.
People drop thier hand or (slot machine) to counter thier balance because they havent learn to balance properly, plain and simple.
pleae tell me who said this? knief said this stament? I cannto read his posts so please clue me in to who sadi yuo drop your guard to counter balance or create more power LOL
dragon
not an attack, it’s a factual statement. I’ve seen plenty of kung fu schools that couldn’t kick worth there weight.
honestly, have you been to many other schools?
please stop making sweeping assumtptions on the limited amount of kung fu schools you have visited, this is completly false.