there’s another good topic … is conditioning really all that important?
if conditioning were introduced my order wouldnt really change. conditioning is great for sport fighting, but a real fight shouldnt last that long. at best it will be over in a couple seconds. at worst a minute or two? if my top list (Confidence, Root, Focus, Power, Diversity, and Breathing) is developed to any degree i have confidence that this will be true for any fight im in one way or the other.
im not saying that its not important at all, but its somewhere in my second set of priorities. something to be developed and worked on, i dont want to get completely gassed when sparring, but i really dont care if ill every be able to run 5 miles.
I think conditioning is an integral part of martial arts training, but I have to say, it’s probably my weakest area.
But, I’m still pretty confident that I’m fit enough to outrun your average pack o’thugs if need be. I’m probably in the top 10% in regards to fitness. But I’m no way as conditioned as sport fighters.
im a fast little fu cker, and i can run a while if i have the incentive, but i just don’t think its as important as other people. again i don’t want to come across like its not important at all … anything that classifies as a priority obviously is … its just that it would be in my second set along with strength and speed.
you need to be in good shape to fight well … period. if you can spar for 10 minutes then you might be able to fight for 2. i just see no point in training my ass off to be as conditioned as a professional sport fighter when im not.
Appreciate your viewpoint. Nobody is asking that you train like a professional, but I have literally watched skilled people be unable to function after 15-30 seconds because they were out of shape. That’s plenty of time to get tired, get knocked over and not be able to move fast enough to get back up.
I’m not talking about being able to run alot. I’m talking about being able to work hard (and I do mean HARD) for a couple of minutes–heck, maybe even just a minute, with no real loss in performance.
Strength and speed mean nothing if you are too gassed to use it. Secondly, it’s another weapon. If the guy is bigger, faster and stronger than you (maybe the slightly inebriated frat boy has these attributes,) you might be able to outwork him.
Finally, conditioning helps you handle stress. The better you are conditioned, the better your body’s response to stressful situations. It’s like having three weapons in one!
above all proper technique is important. If all others are sup[posedly maintained but the technique is incorrect then you will continue to deviate off the correct tracks and when it comes to unlearning all your mistakes, you’ll find that you’ve wasted years of training.
If you can get to me three times before I can get to you, I am in deep trouble…You MUST be fast enough to get in. Timing DOES play a part in this but knowing WHEN to move and being able to move fast enough at that time to make a difference are two things.
Power after that…if you hit me 3 times but they have no effect…I WILL run over you.
After that you will need stamina/conditioning.
If you can’t keep going on the street it is NOT that big of a deal. Real fights are short.
However, the part of stamina that matters is being able to take punishment. You MUST be able to take a blow and keep going without losing steam or giving in to pain or fear.
People with these abilities often win over trained people…and usually win over trained people without these abilities.
THEN comes technique, timing, and all of the other stuff.
It really boils down to that some people are BORN fighters. Some can be trained to be fighters. Then there are others that will NEVER be fighters.
I was bowed or on hand and knees and he was standing and barely if at all winded
“i just see no point in training my ass off to be as conditioned as a professional sport fighter when im not.”-GunnedDownAtrocity
With that, why put anything into Martial arts Training you might have done? Just get beat-up when the odd situation occures or deal with it best you can; and invest training time into life stuff socializing, making a place in the happening world…
As to don’t need too much conditioning…Ever push a car to the side of the road; up-hill; or the gas station?
Perhaps relevant to what one called MerryPrankster mentioned:
I have cheatah essence. I’m good for one something and then I’m out of contention.~
When MerryPrankster and myself got together in a ring at Third Power Gym in January there were perhaps four encounters (probablly only two, close). The second and third he got to my neck. I had had a practice for that throughout the years. I started playing with it under the concept of what to do with what if I’m being choked.
Without that practice I think my neck would have been closed. -ish.
The fourth encounter was my signaling that that’s enough if it’s O.K. with him. Gentlemanly, he allowed me to discontinue. I was highly naucious and considered that to continue might result in vomiting. It might have been managable except that the way I was handling the situation was to body grapple (his method~). And having experienced~ him, I comprehended I could not out strength him and he was too strategic minded for my level of understanding for me to beat him with smarts. The most I could do was I could feel my limit. And look to stand-off was the best for which I could hope with MerryPrankster.
At the fourth was also muscle fatige(?) all~over. Like having pushed a car uphillward. This condition going on is managable but when not necessary to go on, tend to my health, most considerately/sensiblly-ish
above all proper technique is important. If all others are sup[posedly maintained but the technique is incorrect then you will continue to deviate off the correct tracks and when it comes to unlearning all your mistakes, you’ll find that you’ve wasted years of training.
i can see your point when talking about advancing in an art, but i would disagree when discussing fighting.
i know that the thread wasn’t specified one or the other, but it took a turn toward fighting so i just thought i’d say.
“i know that it’s important … i just think that confidence and rooting and power and all that are more so”
Those are apart of fight stuffies. And the order Will be different. And what I did miss or not regard enough is that part of “as a professional fighter.” I took it at the moment to refer to conditioning isn’t significant because fights end in under a minute~ And you don’t need endurance for that long much less fifteen seconds.
Completely a me misread no hard feelings I hope.-ish
I still say, “Heart” is first. To step into the ring with Tyson takes guts. To put your hands up takes confidence. To go one round takes bravery & skill. To go four rounds takes speed, strength, conditioning, pain tolerance, etc. But to not go down or give up when you are clearly getting pasted & have lost your technique from fatigue, to refuse to leave until you are KO’d or you KO him… thats Heart.
Its also kind of dumb- but you’d need that kind of bollocks in the street, I’d say.