According to CKW, his CLF learning started in his hometown under Chan Cheok Sing (between 11 and 14 yrs old).
After moving to Hong Kong, he kept on learning - now, Hung Sing under Yan You Chin and Buk Sing under Yin Sheung Mo (his Buk Siu Lum teacher).
It’s interesting that CKW’s lineage charter does not mention “Chan Cheok Sing” - his Master in Toishan -, but only his two HK teachers.
It’s also interesting to note that the historical info on his website is not reliable at all. For exemple, he states that Chan On Pak was the creator of Buk Sing CLF. He also takes Futsan Hung Sing for Chan Family CLF.
See: http://www.sinobrasileira.org/index.php?id=4&subid=11&ln=pt&scr=1024
I’m wondering here that maybe Extrajoseph - who certainly seems to be an old guard Chan Fam man - has some piece of information to add.
The point now is: Mr. Chon is a student of Master Wah, who happens to be, not only a student of Paul Chan, but also a close friend of Chan Kwok Wai’s
So it’s also possible that Master Wah replaced (Paul Chan’s?) Chan Family footwork by Chan Kwok Wai’s (Hung Sing) footwork.
Tried to get some info from Master Wah, but my Chinese is zero and his Portuguese is not enough for a long discussion.
[QUOTE=Marcelo-RJ;1162147]I’m wondering here that maybe Extrajoseph - who certainly seems to be an old guard Chan Fam man - has some piece of information to add.
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Since my name is mentioned I will give my two cents worth. As far as I know Paul Chan also studied with Chan Dau in HK before migrating to Canada. Chan Dou not only learned CLF but also Hung Kuen and when he came to Hong Kong from Guangzhou he called his style Do Pi and was famous for his Lo Han Kuen (see clipping of Chan Dau below).
Some say what he does is Hung Tow Choy Mei (The head is Hung Kuen and the tail is CLF), so looking at Paul Chan’s CLF, it has a lot of Hung Kuen influence and that is not surprising.
hung tow choy mei
oh so the choy mei is “clf” huh? Lmao
head of Hung Gar, the tail of Choy Gar
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Hi Frank,
Here is my reference, Choy can mean CLF and not just Choy Gar.
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http://www.uwants.com/viewthread.php?tid=6692308&extra=&page=1
"My father is a student of Chan Dau, with him at the same time was Zhao Chung and So Yuan, etc. According to my father, Chan Dau was very famous in Guangzhou, but because of certain incidence, he has to flee to Hong Kong and opened a school there and he founded the Do Pi Martial Arts Association. Do Pi mainly trained in Hung Kuen and CLF, people on the inside simply called it “Hung Head and Choy Tail”.
ooooooook! lol
Have a good day joseph, or night, depending on where you are.
Chan Dau’s daughter doing his famous “Lohan going out of his cave” routine, you can see there is a good mix of Hung Kuen and CLF, but it is not Chow Gar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSU5I2i3S3k
“Hung Tao Choy Lay Fut Mei” doesn’t have the snappy ring to it that “hung tao choy mei” has. :D;)
uh the starting moves looks more like Lama to me than CLF.
[QUOTE=extrajoseph;1162295]Chan Dau’s daughter doing his famous “Lohan going out of his cave” routine, you can see there is a good mix of Hung Kuen and CLF, but it is not Chow Gar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSU5I2i3S3k[/QUOTE]
Almost looks like there is some kind of lama/hop gar connection too.
Wasn’t Do Pi famous for a drunken form?
Definately a good deal of CLF in there too.
then it should be called “hung head lama body chariles foot tail.”
But that is just one form not necessarily the entire system or style.
More Chan Dau Kung Fu during his anniversary in 2010 in Hong Kong.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTY2MzEwNzcy.html
Thank, EJ, for the info + video.
Looking at the “training itinerary” at http://www.hongluck.org/training-itinerary.html
I recognize the names of some CLF forms: Ng Lum Kuen, Ng Lum Ma, Siu Moi Fa, Dat Mo Kuen.
I’ve seen Mr Chon performing their Ng Lum Kuen and did not recognize Chan Family’s Ng Lum Choi in it. On the other hand, their Siu Mui Fa looks like Chan Fam.
As to Siu Nan Kuen, it reads “Hun Gar”, but it’s surely not Lam Sai Wing’s style.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1162297]uh the starting moves looks more like Lama to me than CLF.[/QUOTE]
Definitely Lama in its entirety. In Pak Hok Pai we have also a form with the same name but I’ve never seen it performed yet so I can’t say how similar it would be.
That said the techniques displayed in that video are all Lama, Pao, Kup, Chao, Tsin, so on so forth
Chan Dau learned some Hop Gar. I think that info is on their website. Doesn’t say who his teacher was though
My Sifu (who was a senior student of Chan Yin Wah, who also trained a bit with Paul Chan) told me that Crane was a major component of Do Pi.
Now, having trained fairly extensively in Toisan Sil Lum and Lee Hin CLF, I’ve never seen Siu Nam Kuen, and I don’t believe it’s on the complete list of hand forms that my Sifu gave me either (I’ll check in the morning). Therefore there’s a good chance that it’s Do Pi or something that Paul Chan picked up in HK, although it may be something that Wong Chun Yip taught only to Paul Chan.
I’ve seen Mr Chon performing their Ng Lum Kuen and did not recognize Chan Family’s Ng Lum Choi in it. On the other hand, their Siu Mui Fa looks like Chan Fam.
When I did Lee Hin the 5 wheel stance was done more like Tan Tui than a proper form.
Here it goes: Paul Chan’s Ng Lun Kuen (part)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmotHvcBE_s