In a few years when all the paranoia about creatine has been laid to rest you will see it used as a supplement for people in all walks of life. It is a naturally occuring amino acid in your body.
PHILBERT,
I forgot to mention, that unless you’re on drugs or a complete beginner, it’s pretty much impossible to lose bodyfat and build muscle at the same time. You cannot do both. There are biological reasonings for this, but I don’t have time right now so just take my word for it, ok?
As evidence, however, look at bodybuilders. In the off season, they get fat and bulk up. They don’t look like bodybuilders then, they look like giant marshmellows. This is because only by this method of bulking up and adding fat can a maximum of muscle be added as well. Then when contest time comes, they diet off the fat and strive to maintain as much muscle as possible. Granted, they all lose a bit of muscle while dieting, but drugs and crazy diets help to keep atrophy to a minimum. If it was possible to add muscle and lose fat at the same time, bodybuilders wouldn’t need to get all fat in the offseason, they would just look ripped all year round instead.
Iron
Naturally occuring..
if this Creatine is a naturally occuring Amino Acid in the body, then do just that! Let it occur naturally and not in a self dosed supplementary fashion.
Repulsive Monkey please feel free to remain a repulsive stick-boy never have muscle ancient chinese medical text reading, low muscle mass having ignoramus for the rest of your life if you wish…but why waste this boards space by making anyone who reads your posts significantly more stupid?
Can you please think before you post. If it’s naturally ocurring don’t supplement…so I guess you never take vitamins or anything like that. I guess there’s no reason for your chinese medical text on any forms of naturally ocurring herbs that provide vitamins your body already produces…we should all just eat as we are now and live to 100 years old. Does the fact that you are putting your body through more stress therefore it requires more nutrients mean anything at all to you? or have you overlooked a basic simple-to-understand point in life, not just bodybuilding. I guess a race car uses the same amount of fuel on the indy circuit as a honda civic on a side road. Maybe there’s an area where you have some intelligent thoughs…so why don’t you find the forum where that exists and post there instead of wasting our time here?
I haven’t flamed anyone here before until you because what you say is just plain dumb. Sure everyone is entitled to an opinion…but some are just so dumb you should keep them to yourself.
Repulsive Monkey and El Pietro,
I hope I don’t inject a bad feeling in anyone of you by intervening.
I think one opinion comes from one who is an enthusiast in muscle development, western way of developing as such, which may include taking supplements. Such which follows the logic of western medicine and research into hyperthrophy, recruitment, creatine or whatever to maximise growth.
And another, a learnt follower of the eastern philosophy of energy control with knowledge behind the “marketing” of western medicines. One who believes in the “clean” sources of life energy, and preventing harm in the “meridian” body, and also the “natural” way of strengthening via/or control of Jing.
Kinda like 2 illuminating lamps on each side of a Sculpture. It highlights the otherwise shaded areas.
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ElPietro,
This will probably be one of the last few returns I send you as are conversations are inceridbly imbalanaced (more so as you seem to lose your temper even more). Shall we just leave this conversation with my lifestyle doesn’t need supplements to at all to support the 3-4 hours of daily training that I do. I have maintained my athletic musculature for many years with my regime and teachings from my teacher, and the effects I get from Acupuncture. I see that your regime and health beliefs are stringently different, and there appears to be a rigidity to even consider others ideas. I always state mt opnion becasue I have no wish to forcibly convert others like you seem to think that I try to.
If we are to agree on anything ElPietro then let us close this dialogue between us on the premise that we disagree with each other. I am in no way saying that either one of us is correct or otherwise, just that being able to be considerate to each others views would seem to have too many obstacles in its way.
Thanks for taking the time to read all my responses ElPietro and I have found enlightening to scan yours too. I have recived insights from you.
Prana
Thanks for your message it was welcomed, and highlighting.
Cheers brother.
from what i’ve read
Creatine ain’t good for you. I wouldn’t take it.
“Once I have harnessed the power of the Sun, I will be UNSTOPPABLE!” – Mini-Me
Agreed. Repulsive Monkey my apologies for going off a bit and posting in anger. I would still be interested in some background information on some of your statements. But we can let things lie…
On the other hand it is still irritating that posts like these crop up:
“Creatine ain’t good for you. I wouldn’t take it.”
Meng Shuo perhaps you could elaborate a bit on your in-depth analysis? I guess if creatine isn’t good for you it wouldn’t be stored in every muscle cell in your body…your body wouldn’t produce it every single day as a necessary amino acid…and we’d all be suffering when we eat since it is contained in many food products…but then again…what do I know…like I said make a statement…back it up with at least a shred of information. Thanks.
RM & EP
Peace 
Creatine is natural (occurs mainly in red meat), but the amount often recommended to be taken to increase muscle mass (25-30 grams per day loading dose and 5-10 grams per day maintenance dose) is not a natural amount. We’d have to eat the equivalent of a whole cow or more each day to get that amount in our diet. Whether it’s bad for us to take that amount or not, I don’t know. I’ve heard rumours suggesting it’s bad but haven’t personally read the results of any studies on the adverse effects of high creatine doses.
Max
Yooby Yoody
I have experienced this and so has alot of my friends. It is normal for some peoples bodies to react this way. The runs and alot of ****. Creatine takes water and pulls it into your muscle instead of it being on the surface of your muscle, this is why you experience a little growth while on it. This is also while you drink more water. As for the pissing part, I think because your drinking more water your body gets to that hydrated stage and needs to aaleviate the overconsumption of water. I would not cut down on your water intake though.
I would also suggest that you cycle creatine, 1 month on, 1 month off- for two reasons.
So your not constantly putting your kidneys in overdrive and,
To help retain your size a little better. For some reason while on creatine you will be able to lift heavier weights and fromn that you will grow, if you stay on it constantly you will grow but when you come off you will shrink alot(this is if you are off it for a while) but if you cycle it you will help retain some weight during your off month and then groww in small steps so your body in a sense will own the weight you gain instead of thinking of it as temporary weight.
Hope that made sense,
Shaolin
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