OT: Why I hate hippies and the french!

Just what the hell is a Hippie?

I had long hair in the 60’s and early 70’s. I was anti-Viet Nam war. I didn’t like Nixon. I listened to Woodstock music (and there have been very few folks who come close to what was created then musically)

I was and still am essentially non-violent and try to be green…but at the same time, I usually only turn the other cheek to position myself better to hit back.

And what REALLY is the downside to assuming that Climat Change is real and that our irresponsible behavior contributes to it? Hmmm…let me see, we would limit pollution, greenhouse gases, curtail deforestation, try to be more fuel efficient, try to leave as clean a planet as possible for our kids… Hmmm… Aside from the fact that many of these things cost more in the short term…but less in the long run, have I mentioned anything that is really NOT a good goal to have?

Man is one of the only creatures on this planet that will sh!t where he eats…

[QUOTE=PangQuan;782296]The only one who stinks more on guitar than Jeff Hanneman is Kerry King. Hes right up there with Sanjaya, only speed metal.

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fixed that one for ya. :smiley:

[QUOTE=rogue;782591]fixed that one for ya. :D[/QUOTE]

rofl !!!

greendragon Hippies don’t care what morons think.

Care to put your ideas where your mouth is? All I hear is a bunch of crying “stupid head call me a hippie…” Whatever, get over it. If you have some kind of valid point to add to this discussion then give it. Otherwise I am left to assume that I am indeed intellectually superior to you. :stuck_out_tongue:

synack No problems with comprehension over here,

Then clairify the direction of your comments. :confused:

synack I guess all those scientists are hippies all smoking pot and getting their free love on.

Which scientist? The ones in the video? The IPPC? Who are YOU talking about?

Fuzzly Deforestation is much related to global warming.

Well you got a thesis, care to back it up with some research, or are you just going with your gut on this one?

COME ON PEOPLE, I NEED SOME FUEL FOR THE FIRE OF DEBATE, NOT A BUNCHING OF WINNING OVER THE HARDLY OFFENSIVE “HIPPIE” CALLING. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=synack;782340]I like how people attack the messenger by calling them “Hippies” instead of discussing the issues.

I guess all those scientists are hippies all smoking pot and getting their free love on. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
No, all those scientists put some time in thinking things through before commiting to something. The avaerage hippy does not.:slight_smile:

Again, what the F is a hippie…

Back in the day, we referred to ourselves a Freaks, humorously as “Long Haired Hippie Freaks” but I never knew anyone that called themselves a Hippie just straight like that.

So what IS a hippie?

There were Flower Children - they were more the wide eyed folks from Neverland.

Information on quoted/interviewed scientists and speakers featured in this doc:

Climate scientists featured in the doc (w/ some selected quotes):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Christy

More recently, in a publication in the series Washington Roundtable on Science and Public Policy he said:[5]

* "I showed some evidence that humans are causing warming in the surface measurements that we have but it is not the greenhouse relation."

* Christy has also said that while he supports the AGU declaration, and is convinced that human activities are a cause of the global warming that has been measured, he is "still a strong critic of scientists who make catastrophic predictions of huge increases in global temperatures and tremendous rises in sea levels."[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv

"Recently Nir Shavivs Solar Hypothesis has been disputed by new analysis of the suns output over the last 25 years, which shows that the suns activity has been decreasing since 1985 while global temperature have continued to rise at an accelerating pace.

Nir Shaviv has tried to rescue the idea by invoking a time lag between changes in the sun and their effect on the Earth’s climate. But Professor Lockwood’s data, published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, shows the sun’s magnetic field has declined since 1985, even as the world heats up.

Professor Lockwood dismissed Nir Shavivs claim as “disingenuous”.

“Nobody has invoked that kind of lag before. It’s only been invoked now as a way out,” he said."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Clark

In 2004 Clark wrote a letter to the Editor of the The Hill Times saying:
That portion of the scientific community that attributes climate warming to CO2 relies on the hypothesis that increasing CO2, which is in fact a minor greenhouse gas, triggers a much larger water vapour response to warm the atmosphere. This mechanism has never been tested scientifically beyond the mathematical models that predict extensive warming, and are confounded by the complexity of cloud formation - which has a cooling effect.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lindzen

“Wall Street Journal (June 11, 2001), Lindzen stated that “there is no consensus, unanimous or otherwise, about long-term climate trends and what causes them” and “I cannot stress this enough – we are not in a position to confidently attribute past climate change to carbon dioxide or to forecast what the climate will be in the future. That is to say, contrary to media impressions, agreement with the three basic statements tells us almost nothing relevant to policy discussions.”[11]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer

On the subject of Intelligent design, Spencer wrote in 2005, “Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years. And finally, despite my previous acceptance of evolutionary theory as ‘fact,’ I came to the realization that intelligent design, as a theory of origins, is no more religious, and no less scientific, than evolutionism. . . . In the scientific community, I am not alone. There are many fine books out there on the subject. Curiously, most of the books are written by scientists who lost faith in evolution as adults, after they learned how to apply the analytical tools they were taught in college.” [4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Wunsch

"I believe that climate change is real, a major threat, and almost surely has a major human-induced component. But I have tried to stay out of the climate wars because all nuance tends to be lost, and the distinction between what we know firmly, as scientists, and what we suspect is happening, is so difficult to maintain in the presence of rhetorical excess. In the long run, our credibility as scientists rests on being very careful of, and protective of, our authority and expertise… I am on record in a number of places as complaining about the over-dramatization and unwarranted extrapolation of scientific facts. Thus the notion that the Gulf Stream would or could “shut off” or that with global warming Britain would go into a “new ice age” are either scientifically impossible or so unlikely as to threaten our credibility as a scientific discipline if we proclaim their reality [2] "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Michaels

“He has received financial support in research funding and consulting fees from the fossil-fuel energy industry.[9] He is a fellow of the Cato Institute and edits the World Climate Report, published and funded by the not-for-profit organization Greening Earth Society created by the Western Fuels Association.”

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_F._Ball
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Singer

Not climate scientists:

-Philip Scott (Professor of Biogeography)
-James Skikwati (Economist and Author)
-Nigel Calder (Former Editor New Scientist)
-Lord Lawson of Blaby
-http://www.iarc.uaf.edu/people/indiv/iarc_all_staff.php?photo=sakasofu
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(environmentalist)
-Professor Paul Reiter (entymologist)
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Seitz
-Paul Driesen, author

I’m going to explain this as if talking to someone whose never had a biology course, I honestly don’t mean to offend, but this will offer a good chance to find any mistakes I might make.

Plants use photosynthesis. Photosynthesis is the process by which CO2, sunlight, and water are turned into energy for the plant, in the form of sugar, with oxygen and water as products as well.

Plants/forests are also great carbon sinks. Since much of a plant is carbon. Burning these plants releases this carbon into the atmosphere.

Deforestation means less plants.

Part of the greenhouse effect is created by CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 helps hold energy that would normally be lost from the sun due to reflection. Greenhouse gases act as an insulator. There are other greenhouse gases, such as water vapor and methane.

We can in fact see the effect plants have on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. When the Northern hemisphere is in it’s winter months, the CO2 levels are higher than when it is in it’s summer months. This is due to most of the Earth’s vegetation being in the Northern hemisphere. Winter=less photosynthesis.

So, we can see the relationship between the amount of photosynthesis going on and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.

So here’s a rundown.

Less photosynthesis=More CO2 in the atmoshpere.

Less plants=less photosynthesis.

Less plants=More CO2 in the atmosphere.

More CO2 in the atmosphere=More energy stored in the atmosphere

More energy stored in the atmosphere=higher global temp.

There is no global warming.
There was no war in Viet Nam.
George Bush is not a criminal.
Genetically altered food is safe.
All fights end up on the ground.
Stupid Hippies are perpetrating a complex campaign of disinformation.

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is why i do not care for the conservative right wing propaganda machine whose only main concern is to privatize and christianize everything and live in a jaded bubble world and be apathetic to the real issues out there like environment and the very planet we live on. its all about money for them and how to aqquire more of it by any means necessary, they have this biblical " we dominate everything" attitude and they discount everything else because it doesnt jive with their political and religious agendas(and the same can be said for the left wing as well who are so wrapped up in their own political agendas)

You can put down the hippie culture all you want but it still doesnt change the fact that our planet is heating up, and all this rain we are having in Texas is a prime example of the countering effects that the warming trends are having on our environment. The science is there to support it and the science is there to refute it(which seems strange to me and tells you something about science itself). so which science is better? The science that states that it is all a bunch of horsesh!t and we should do NOTHING, or the science that states that there is DEFINATELY something going on and we need to do something about it lest we make it increasingly more difficult for humans and everything else to live on the planet?

I for one feel it is useless to blame and put down the hippie culture as it is to put down the conservative culture. but hey i do it anyway just like everyone else does to everyone else. There IS some hope i feel to the divides in our politics and our way of thinking and how we live our lives. We can ALL get along if we just pull our heads out of our A$$es and start working together instead of against each other on these issues.

                                                                               Peace,TWS

[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;782863] all this rain we are having in Texas is a prime example of the countering effects that the warming trends are having on our environment. [/QUOTE]

Unlikely. You can’t look at localized weather patterns and blame it on global warming.
At least the science is not there yet, that’s the point that at least one of the credible scientists in the documentary was pointing out.

It’d be just as easy for someone to say, well its been cooler in my area the last few years and so global warming is not happening.

As I understand it, when scientists are looking at global warming they are looking at the mean global temperature. How they arrive at that number I’m not sure but my guess is that its by taking temperature readings all over the world and looking at the net changes over time.

FP

Fu Pow

LOL and you are in seattle the rain capitol of the USA. Ive been there and the weather there is very similar to how the weather is HERE and has been for two months straight. It is definately unusual for there to be so much rain in central texas over such a period of time,such as it is now. I mean not to say that we dont ever get rain, and we certainly get floods(Stevie Ray Vaughn wrote some awesome songs about it) but TExas rains are like freakshows here and they are quick and immense, then they leave and the sun comes out. We havent had a really clear day since early june.

GLW So what IS a hippie?

Trying to define hippie is like trying to define an a$$hole, They are who ever you deem them to be.

As a gross generalization I’d say a hippie is anyone who adheres to any kind of unrealistic perfect world ideology, weather it be a world with out war, hunger, pollution, people, whatever.

In the context of this discussion I’d say a hippie is someone who has rejected rational thought for the “green party line”. Those who use irrational sensationalism, and fear mongering, such as “our world is dieing”, in order to push an agenda that no rational person could accept. An agenda tightly interwoven with Communism and anti-capitalism.

GLW And what REALLY is the downside to assuming that Climate Change is real and that our irresponsible behavior contributes to it?

Because you CAN NOT make good decisions based on bad information. If their “facts” were that strong that wouldn’t need to use sensationalist propaganda to try and push their agenda.

Fuzzly
Less photosynthesis=More CO2 in the atmosphere.
Less plants=less photosynthesis.
Less plants=More CO2 in the atmosphere.
More CO2 in the atmosphere=More energy stored in the atmosphere
More energy stored in the atmosphere=higher global temp.

Well my videos did make a strong argument against CO2 causing higher global temperature. Can you convincingly refute the claims made in the video.

greendragon
There is no global warming.
There was no war in Viet Nam.
George Bush is not a criminal.
Genetically altered food is safe.
All fights end up on the ground.
Stupid Hippies are perpetrating a complex campaign of disinformation.

And yet again you contribute nothing useful to the discussion. Thats what irrationalism with gets you, sarcasm.

The Willow Sword
TExas rains are like freakshows here and they are quick and immense, then they leave and the sun comes out. We havent had a really clear day since early june.

Weather patterns change all the time, it snows in south texas once a decade. Are you going to read something into that. Change is nothing new. :rolleyes:

Once again.

Check out the interview and debate that came out of this Great Global Warming Swindle show. It’s divided up into multiple parts, but it doesn’t get really good until they start the panel discussion in part 3 when all the scientists start talking about how each others’ science is so bad.

It’s comical. The IPCC made mistakes/coverups, the guy who made this show made mistakes/coverups.

They’re all frauds looking to support their particular viewpoints.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjGynF4qkE&mode=related&search=

The weather is JACKED UP! Anyone who thinks it’s not largely due to humans IS LIVING IN DENIAL! Not anthropomorphic:rolleyes:give me a flip fargin’ break!!! WAKE UP YOU REPUBLICAN DOOFUSES!!!

I get all of my real life definitions from this web site

Hippie: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hippie

Hippy: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hippy

Dirty Hippie: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+hippie

Dirty Hippy: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+hippy

Hippie Student: [Kumar trying to buy pot] Here, that’s sixt - 80 bucks.
Kumar: 80 bucks?
Hippie Student: Yeah, 80 bucks.
Kumar: Yo, this is worth 40 tops bro!
Hippie Student: Bro? I’m not your bro, bro. ok, and that’s 80 bucks. You don’t feel like getting high tonight? If you don’t feel like getting high, that’s cool with me because there’s lots of people around here. See this guy? Hey, what’s up, George? I smoke buds with George all the time.
Kumar: What kind of a hippie are you?
Hippie Student: What kind of hippie am I? Man, I’m a business hippie, I understand the concept of supply and demand.

We don’t have to worry about global warming. It’s OK to continiously polute the atmosphere, the oceans and all the fresh water on the planet. There will be no reprocussions for our children, our grandchildren ect. We had nothing to do with the sahara, the fertile cresent, the dust bowls in the midwest in the thirties. Maybe we should build an amusement park over the love canal.
(This is where in a normal environment I would explode in a tirade of obsenities that would make a truck driver go " hey, hey hey! There’s mechanics present!")

Here’s an idea:
Forget about global warming for now.
Let’s work on stopping the pollution. Stopping the destruction of the planet that is currently hosting us. That’d be a place to start.
Stop consuming so darn much. Maybe take the bike or the bus to work.
Sticter regulations on all businesses to reduce drastically their polluting output.

Global warming is a cause for the left and the right. For the left it is a cause to put through more green and environmentally friendly alternatives (most likely because the left is being bought by green companies). For the right it is a cause to point and scream that it’s wrong as an excuse to do nothing or such a miniscule amount that it doesn’t really matter.

The joke is that so many people would claim to be humanitarian or compassionate yet won’t lift a finger to prevent the destruction of our planet which our children’s children are going to inherit.

The fact is if we don’t change but only continue to consume and pollute, the planet is only going to get worse what with all the new people coming in western style consumption and lifestyle patterns.