the iron cross was handed out for bravery, valor and stuff, kinda like the united states’ medal of honor. it existed before nazi germany and in fact the iron crosses during hitlers time had a swastika on them. but i’m sure you knew that.
Originally posted by Fred Sanford
the iron cross was handed out for bravery, valor and stuff, kinda like the united states’ medal of honor. it existed before nazi germany and in fact the iron crosses during hitlers time had a swastika on them. but i’m sure you knew that.
Actually, I wasn’t aware of that. We always just assumed they meant Imperial Germany when I was in high school.
Yay, public school!
Even so, I would argue that that the swastika is the pervasive symbol of the third reich, and not the Iron Cross-- even to the extent that the Iron Cross is erronously regarded as belonging solely to the Kaiser’s era.
but, like I said, I’m no expert in this field, so take it with a huge-@ss grain of salt.
Originally posted by Laughing Cow
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I think the problem is more the global village coming into effect.
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Partially. I still see a huge problem with identifying certain symbols with commerce even among isolated cultures, but that is arguing a different point entirely.
[b]As an example on diversity, try travelling through europe or asia and communicating with hand-signs & gestures, you will get very different responses in different countries to the same hand-sign or gesture.
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I totally understand that. Improper gesturing nearly got me killed in Brittany 4 years ago. Always a learning experience…
Some things aren’t just meant to be shared globally.
Agreed. However, it doesn’t lessen the negative impact that these things can have when they cross-over into unfamiliar or other non-native cultures. I just don’t see a way around the misunderstandings and eventual ill-will… maybe a few generations will prove me wrong or something.
Originally posted by CrippledAvenger
Agreed. However, it doesn’t lessen the negative impact that these things can have when they cross-over into unfamiliar or other non-native cultures. I just don’t see a way around the misunderstandings and eventual ill-will… maybe a few generations will prove me wrong or something.
I think it will need more time and more cross-cultural exchange.
At the moment certain things are still fresh in peoples mind and many haven’t confined things to History where the should belong, but rather tend to tear open old wounds over and over again.
Cheers.
Not just the whiners tearing open old wounds. There’s a hole bunch of extreamist in Montana whom we hear little or nothing from directly, untill they get board of harassing each other and turn on thier naibers. In one aspect, I agree that there was no intended harm, and the gentleman who was offened aught to try looking at thing from another’s perspective. But on the other hand, I find myself looking at it from his. How would you react to seeing something openly marketed that resembles the trade mark stamp of the people who wiped out your whole world?
Originally posted by Becca
How would you react to seeing something openly marketed that resembles the trade mark stamp of the people who wiped out your whole world?
I don’t know the rest of the world is managing quiet well. I just feel that there are some that are over-sensitive, on both sides of the fence.
Us Europeans would be in real trouble if we would act like that, we only been trying to kill and control each other for 2000+ years and some regions belonged to a few nations during the centuries.
Seeya.
The ura manji only turns into a swastika when it’s on its tip right? So it’s ok as long as Robowaru doesn’t start breakdancing…:rolleyes:
Mind you, I think the evils of breakdancing are more than enough to contend with in that situation.
Nobbut seriously… ban Jews. And Christians, and Moslems. And Nazis. And the Japanese. And the makers of mass-produced and mass marketted toys promoting violent conflict. Then we’ll have a lovely old time…
Oops, did I say seriously?