LOL at Diego!
I have an “evil Ryu” suggestion but it may cause flames…
it deals with using “criminally insane” people as test guniea pigs for science research into the brain and how it works differently in criminally insane people. You can do what you want to them, cut their skulls open, poke around in the brain, hook em up to special devices, etc. Only for trully criminal insane though… Serial rapists, serial murderers, etc. Use em as human guniea pigs. That way you can torture them (punishment for crime) as well as discover possible ways to prevent their kind in the future. 
But unfortunately some say it’s “cruel and unusual punishment.”
Well I say I’m having a bad day, and I want my guniea pigs.
Ryu
Originally posted by Ryu
I have an “evil Ryu” suggestion but it may cause flames…
it deals with using “criminally insane” people as test guniea pigs for science research into the brain and how it works differently in criminally insane people. You can do what you want to them, cut their skulls open, poke around in the brain, hook em up to special devices, etc.
Wouldn’t that also require the cutting up of sane people for comparison. Any volunteers ???
No sane people here.
I know of a special “shot” that will “cure” any murderer,rapist or child molestor.
Always (ocked,Locked & Ready to Rock,Doc!
Badger
Actually, the idea is not so farfetched, and criminal behaviorists (profilers) have been advocating scientific study rather than execution for quite some time.
There’s been some very interesting papers written on the pathology of serial, mass, and spree killers in the last 5 years or so that suggest very strongly (among many other factors, none of which mitigate the seriousness of the crimes) that brain damage (including ‘non-visible’ damage like chemical imbalances) may be directly tied to the offending behaviors.
In other words, these yo-yo’s may be genuinely whackadoodle, and not merely ‘bad’.
Multiple killers have been a hobby of mine for years, I have a warped fascination with understanding what makes them lack empathy to such an astounding degree. Sick, but it keeps me occupied 
This chica is typical of the “post-partum” female murderer type, actually a fairly common phenomenon compared to other types of female mass killers (‘black widow’, ‘angel of death’, and the very rare ‘sexual thrill’ killer, an almost exclusively male category).
The system being what it is, she’ll wind up being executed (at great taxpayer expense) like 10 years or so from now, so we won’t be any closer to understanding what made her and others like her do it, and therefore be able to possibly prevent further innocent deaths. 
Jas,
I am not so sure that any study of length will stop the a murder of this sort. This is a new occurance, or at least from what I know, but as in the Lemak trail, it was just a cover-up for the hatred of her husband.
Though if the research involves pain and torture, then I am all for it.
Ryu and Budokan are correct.
But seriously, I have long believed that psychos, murderers, rapists, child molesters and other worthless lot like them should indeed be used in experiments.
Wanna know how much electricity the human body can handle before the brain frys in the pan? Dahmer is over there in cell 323.
Wanna test out the effect this new hair spray has on the human eye? Gacy is in cell 621.
And no, the types of testing I recommend do not require the use of sane people as a control. Obviously, Andrea Yates has some sort of major malfunction. It doesn’t really matter a whole lot what “made” her do it…she did it. You want to interview her and find out what made her tick, fine by me. But make it quick…Louisville Slugger stress tests begin in 20.
Just to pitch a bit from my experience in the social sciences.
Whenever anything like this happens, people want to know why…why could such a terrible thing occur? What would make someone do this? The problem is that, as I said above, predicting violent behavior is one of the most difficult things for social scientists to do.
First off, the genetics and brain chemistry angle of human behavior is hardly a deterministic model. There isn’t going to be some killer gene or some killer area of the brain that, once identified, would allow us to know from the moment a person is born, whether he or she is going to grow up to be a mass murderer/serial killer. The best you can hope for is identifying mitigators that predispose someone to this sort of behavior. Even if you could identify such a thing, the incidence of this sort of behavior is so rare, probably like one in a million of those with the brain abnormality would likely exhibit the behavior. What would you suggest then? Lock up the other 999,999 just to protect society from that one individual.
Second, say we identify this gene or brain lesion or whatever, and by some stroke of incredible luck, unlike all other genetic factors related to psychological problems, this one is 100% deterministic. The only way to identify it would be to genetically test every infant born in the United States, and then locking someone up for life (or aborting them) for a crime they have not yet committed and may never commit (perhaps they will die of natural causes before the gene kicks in or something).
Anyway, this doesn’t even address the inhumanity of doing research on someone after accepting the premise that it was their biology that predisposed them to being a killer in the first place. It makes society worse than the killer, as society is then callously and calculatedly doing what only a genetic mistake caused the killer to do.
I agree that the existence of mass murderers/serial killers really sucks, and it’s a point where I tend to diverge from my Buddhist leanings, as my gut tells me revenge is the answer. But justifying revenge under the premise of research is pretty absurd.
It could have been as simple as they were sitting at the dinner table eating, suddenly she consciously snapped into a psychotic fit, she drowned the kids, called the husband, he arrives and finds his 5 children in sheets all dead.
if she isn’t killed i think i am moving to canada. i can not live in a country where you can get away with killing children.
“Anyway, this doesn’t even address the inhumanity of doing research on someone after accepting the premise that it was their biology that predisposed them to being a killer in the first place. It makes society worse than the killer, as society is then callously and calculatedly doing what only a genetic mistake caused the killer to do.”
FU CK THAT. what the fu ck are you thinking man??? that ****ing cu nt killed 5 children. 5 . … children. what the fu ck. genetic mistake my fu cking ass. the only mistake was that someone didn’t take the crazy b1tch out before she killed her children.
you want to know how you stop this kind of sh!t from happening?? torture. you take a cu nt like that and you make her sleep in a coffin with a three week old corspe pulled from the river durring the entire trial. afterwards you torture her for no less than 5 days. you could start by romoving pieces of her face and forcing her to watch in a mirror. rape her with a fu cking dremil tool. cut new holes in her and rape those too. disembow her when its all said and done and do everything possible to keep her alive and consious. and you make it all public. put it on pay per view. then maybe the next time some crazy fu ck gets it into their head to harm a child they’ll remember what happened to the last guy and decide to get help before they no longer deserve it.
i don’t give a fu ck what’s wrong with you . .. if you can do something like that to a child you don’t need help you need killed . . killed very slowly. any one who thinks differantly needs some fu cking sense knocked into them.
i hope im not the only one seeking out justice if she EVER fu cking walks the streets again. **** . .
this is why i don’t watch the news. ever. i wish i hadn’t read this thread. someone tried to tell me something about this sh!t last night and i told them to stop.
GDA. Word of advice, don’t click on certian offtopic threads
Wait till like ten people have replied, i mean i know exactly what happenned, but didnt even read or click on rogue’s post, uno read the end posts first, uno some news can catch you off gaurd that you really did’nt need to see, christ i found out about one of my friends deaths, by seeing the video footage of the accident
on ****ing 5pm evening news
wtf
oh **** i just started looking at the site i posted and it links to the topic somewha
GDA, you’re getting similar to Budokan’s type of posts! LOL
In all seriousness, indescribable torture won’t do anything because they probably won’t know what they did. It doesn’t register in their brain (for some) Now that doesn’t mean I don’t think criminally insane people shouldn’t be punished. On the contrary, I think justice needs to be served for victims no matter who the killer. However, you need to know and understand exactly what is not working, in order to possible come to ways of preventing such crime in the future. (That doesn’t mean being nice to a serial murderer and asking questions in a cute room while he eats cupcakes and watches a big screen TV)
You deal with criminals with justice and compassion aimed at the victims first. Always.
On a side note, GDA, this is a serious question.
You seem to really have a passion for protecting the rights and lives of children. Have you ever thought of possibly pursuing a career that went down those lines?? Just something to consider if you are looking for a possible new career choice, etc.
Ryu
GDA, have you ever considered becoming a child advocate? They are desperately needed, and you don’t have to have a pedigree, just a good heart and a commitment to stand up for kids and speak on their behalf in court.
A friend of mine does child advocacy, and he says it’s incredibly rewarding but also very tough, because when a child needs an advocate, that means there is no one else in his or her life that will speak for them, and that’s a nasty place to be if you’re a juvenile…
Just a thought, it might be a good way to release some of that tremendous empathy you feel for kids and be a real hero at the same time. Plus you don’t have to completely change your life, its something you can commit just a few hours a week to. Did I mention the real hero part?
Sorry guys, I should have said what the picture was in my first post. I can’t look at it either.
I think the “before” picture is nice.
Its the after belly up picture, I don’t want to see.
Heard on the news a guy named Ramsey got busted for child porn/molesting.
Remember Jean-Benet?
Well the only logical conclusion, is that all Ramsey’s by their genetic nature are dangerous child pervs. I second GDA’s motion to kill them ahead of time.
Know a Ramsey? Kim em. Kill em now and without discression. For the safety of our children, we must.
not sure if you have it in the US - but in Limey Land we have Insanity and Temporary Insanity - and with the latter you can walk.
Obviously not applicable in this case but just explaining that in certain circumstances people in the UK have walked free. Like the woman who succesfully defended herself against the charge of stabbing her partner because she had PMT - I sh1t you not.
I tried to hide any coverage of that case from my wife - it’ll give her ideas