No jokes this time. Guys I can’t even wrap my mind around this. My God the betrayal of these poor kids. 
who are they?
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Everytime I hear this story I hug my kids.
Some people are twisted. A sickness of the mind. Definitely another example of criminal error thinking.
Unfortunate for the children.
We have a story like that happening in the city where I live. A young boy who was apparently beaten to death by his father and stepmother.
Horrendous. The boy was all of seven and his injuries were numerous and severe. tragic.
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If Yates is found innocent, a hearing will be held to determine whether she will be released or involuntarily committed.
Excuse me? Released? You can be sent on your way if you are found innocent by reason of insanity? That’s lame.
AHH
It’s how the american justice system works my friend, plee insanity and you can get away with almost anything. That women is nuts, they should just put her into an asylum for ten years. Everyone who kills their OWN child is nuts.
How exactly does stuff like that happen? I mean somebody actually decided to put that into law? I can understand invountary commital to a mental hospital for treatment if genuine, but a scott-free release? Are these people IDIOTS? Innocent by insanity, ok, not completely happy about, but there are authentic cases. But to let them go with no treatment is just plain dumb.:mad:
it’s another well-meaning law that’s turned into a loophole
The idea is this:
Man comes home, finds wife brutally murdered. The woman’s ex has been stalking her for a few years and last night they had a row and he said he was going to kill her. Knowing this the husband goes to the guys house in a rage and the guy laughs in his face. The husband then strangles him to death.
This is murder as the husband travelled to the ex’s house with the intent of injuring him.
He has the defence available to him of temporary insanity - i.e. the shock of seeing his wife murdered and the guy laughing in his face sent him mad for a short period. Obviously he can argue that after the event he calmed down and became sane again.
That’s kind of the idea - however, lawyers do their job well and exploit the law. If they can prove insanity then at the very least they will get diminished responsibility.
I would think in this case that she will get diminished responsibility but she will be sectioned.
This is twisted. She drowned all five? She must have done it one at a time, I guess… so when she took the last child to the bathroom, he saw his four brothers floating lifeless in the tub… horrible…
Since we’re talking about the insanity defence, has anyone seen 15 Minutes ? - it deals with this issue, and does so quite intelligently IMO.
Legal loopholes! Practice of the law should be about justice, fairness, and trying to do what’s right by those who deserve it! I guess I’m just being naive. It seems like bizarro world in the land of the “law”.
The American Justice System is just f*cked up. I am willing to bet that her lawyer wants her to die and burn in hell. The thing is, he can’t do anything, he HAS to defend her by law. He might be the appointed lawyer for the case, or her own personal lawyer, probably appointed. He has to, by law, defend her by a certain set of standards. If he doesn’t, she can plea that he didn’t defend her correctly and she might get set free again. I am willing to bet that most murder trials, the lawyer, if appointed, doesn’t like the job. He/she isn’t getting much $, and they are being forced to defend the person. It’s sad really. This woman did it, its painfully obvious. Let the woman fry, screw some mental institution.
And for that guy (I know it is fictional, but chances are it has happened) who comes home to find his wife dead and her ex laughs in his face, if I were a jury member, I’d let the guy go. I see nothing wrong with Eye for an Eye. Hell, I think the dad should get the throw the switch to watch his wife fry, if I were married and my wife did that, I’d want to kill her with my bare hands.
After their soles regroup from the horrible trauma of being murdered in such a vicious dispicable way the children will have good karma. Now they need prayers to help find their way.
Even after having been a correctional officer I can’t begin to understand the sick depravity of the THINGS that hurt or kill children. Part of the reason I’m not in corrections anymore. We had some sick b-a-s-t-a-r-d. who along with his wife tortured and killed their infant. The details are too sick to even comprehend.I don’t know if I can even pray for the soles of some creatures because I’m not sure they have one.
Whoa there.
The “insanity” defense is both valid and fair.
First, nobody should be saying that you can get away with anything by saying you are insane. Defense attorneys VERY RARELY use the insanity defense since it almost always results in a conviction.
The defense must prove that the individual charged was not aware that what they were doing was wrong at the time of the act. Simply, the defense must prove that the individual did not know right from wrong. And not in some sort of hypothetical abstract sense either. Not an easy thing to do by any means.
In this specific case, for a “not guilty” verdict to be issued, the defense must be able to prove to a jury that Mrs. Yates did not know that killing her children was wrong. If that were true (IF) then, indeed, Mrs. Yates is not guilty of murder, as murder is legally defined. The jury isn’t saying she is innocent of wrong, they are saying she is “not guilty” of the specific charge she is accused of.
Since there is little chance of going at this from a manslaughter angle, a murder charge is the only real option the prosecution has.
Let the jury decide.
JWT
Having a jury decide looks real good on paper, but often falls short in theory. Ask Sunny Von Bulow, Nicole Simpson, Ron Goldman, countless others…
This b*tch should die the same way she killed her children. I’ll gladly volunteer to be the one to hold her head under water until she drowns. No. Wait. I’d rather drown her in a stopped up toilet in a Mexican jail.
Yeah. That would be justice.
Budo,
All of the failures of the jury system you mentioned involved rich defendants. That’s the problem.
JWT,
I am in total agreement. Whenever I hear people say this stuff about the insanity defense, I wonder what cases they are using to establish that successfully using an insanity plea is “getting off”. They seem to forget that Berkowitz was in an asylum until the day he died, and he was not even in there for a murder charge. Asylums are nasty places, not in any way better than prisons(especially ones for the criminally insane), and people are stuck there for no set amount of time. A man convicted of manslaughter might spend a set amount of time in jail, lets say ten years, but if he’s found legally insane, he might go into an asylum until they decide he’s sane, which might be never, and if he is found sane at some point, he may then be tried for his crime anyway.
IMO, anyone who drowns all her babies is crazy, anyone who kills people for fun is crazy, anyone who keeps people in barrels on their property is crazy. However, they’re not legally insane, which is just a funky way to make it clear that “You’re too crazy to ever walk free again”.
KC, I couldn’t agree more. That’s the problem with our so-called justice system. Rich people get one kind of justice, po’ folks like us get yet another…
Just to add 2 cents about not guilty by reason of insanity…
Statistically speaking, you are likely to spend more time locked up from a successful insanity plea than if you’re found guilty of the original murder or manslaughter charge. Predicting violent behavior is like the achilles heel of the social sciences. It is very difficult to do, so being determined fit to return to society after engaging in extremes of violence does not happen as much as some people might think. It’s a hot-button issue, so the media grabs any case where it occurs, and people generalize to think psychopaths are released all the time after just a few months in a cushy mental hospital. It’s all hollywood b.s. It just doesn’t typically happen that way.
I agree with Budokan.
This happened here in my own state with the Lemak trail, whats almost worse is that a bunch of rich yenta housewifes got together to support her, to say that she did not know what she was doing.
She was found guilty of first degree murder.
I say ice the ***** and any like her.
THATS PRETTY WACKED
on a lighter note, kfo-ezine just did a write-up on the 79 smash
WARRIOR’S, you guys seen that flick,
they just put it on dvd now i’m all giddy,
back on topic
KILL THA *****:mad: