you can get a copy of wan lai shen book from the shanghia national library, but since it is old written they ask for more money to copy it for you hahaha.
there is also now a three book writting that has just recently come out from mainland, on du xin wu.
only written in chinese though
Tu Hsin Wu
Bean Curd,
This is great news. Tu Hsin Wu (Du xin wu) who originally taught Northern Shaolin Lui Ho and later learned Sponteneous Boxing, was regarded as China’s Greatest Fighter during his times (late 1800’s-early 1900’s) because of his unbeatable ‘Shaolin Death Kick’. He taught only eight disciples which Wan Li Sheng and Kuo Yu Chang whom were among the chosen few.
“Shaolin Death Kick”
Hi NorthernShaolin,
Could you tell us more of Wan Lai Sheng’s famous “Shaolin Death Kick” ?
What type of kick was it ?
Or did he have a special method of training to develop it ?
Sounds most interesting.
Thanks.
Buddhapalm
Shaolin Death Kick
Buddahpalm,
Not Wan Li Sheng but his sifu, Tu Hsin Wu, who performed the Shaolin Death Kick. I posted this info already in this post but here it is:
Up until the 1900’s Tu Hsin Wu became famous for his ‘Shaolin Death Kick’. This is before Tu Hsin learned Spontaneous Boxing, and he was a well known master of Northern Shaolin Lui Ho. He was the last known master to have used this technique.
This kick was so unique and devastating that his foot would travel up close to his body from his center line to his chin, then deliver a strike out horizonally like a punch to the head of the opponent. It was like a third arm punching, only it was a kick.
With this technique, he never lost a fight.
Of course Tu Hsin Wu was very flexible and was known to be able to kick his opponent over his shoulders as they were attacking from behind. He could use his feet as most fighters used their hands.
For example, for the fun of it, he would move his queue with his foot whenever it dangled in front of his eyes.
When he was over 60 yeras old he went to visit Cheng Man Ch’ing, a famous Tai Chi master and one of the top student of Yang Cheng Fu. In this fight, no matter where Cheng Man Ch’ing turned, Tu Hsin Wu foot caught him and kicked him.
“Shaolin Death Kick”
WOW !!!
Thanks NorthernShaolin.
Your telling of the old masters is really inspirational. They were really made of “good steel”.
Buddhapalm
Gene,
Yes I understand that the monks may not understand, but I am sure a few do and for sure the head guys know what is going on and I am sure the monks would not go against the party line. However, none the less contemporary wushu is being passed off as traditional shaolin…this should not be so, for there are many in the western world that think the high flying acrobatics and incorrect stances (from traditional standpoint) are authentic shaolin because of contemporary wushu being done by the monks on tour and in tapes and it being called shaoin.
Keep what is useful…Ah!..Grasshopper…if you always throw out what you think is useless, you may only be left with chaf in the end.
GHD
northern shaolin,
yes very true on du xin wu and chi yin mun, a most intereting style on all acounts
his kicking skills also bring forth his good relationship with liu bai chuan and also liu’s great skills of coarse. this is evident in du xin wu also permitting wan lai shen to be instructed by liu bai chuan, and why the travelled with each other too the tourny in 1933, as well as other places.
due to du xin wu’s skill he was also very close to sun yat sen, but that is another story
NS: I’ll look forward to that fax. You know, we really should get together for lunch sometime since I’m just down the bay from you. If your ever near the office, let me know - I’d be happy to give you a tour. Actually same goes for all of you. Ok, well most all of you 
GHD: The sticky ground is that monastaries aren’t neccessarily organized with a lot of hierarchy. Monks come and go. Some stya a long time. Some do not. So what becomes of the monks that stay a year or two, then go on to promote themselves as Shaolin monks even though they have left? This is complicated by the fact that most CMA people could care less about the wenseng - I mean seriously, how many have taken Buddhist vows? We are martial artists so we focus on the wuseng - the warrior monks. The warrior monks are even more impermenant. Many will admit that they are only training at Shaolin as MA, the Buddism is secondary. Once those wuseng “re-enter the world” they can do as they please. This has nothing to do with the party line. This is about private business and self promotion. You can’t control what the ex-monks do individually.
As for the western world, the only people who know the difference between wushu and traditional kungfu is us. Most karate/tkd people don’t even know, never mind the non-MA. Promote CMA first, then, after more people understand, you can discriminate between styles. For a pop show like Shaolin Wheel of Life, wushu is far more appropriate.
Gene,
I can see your point for a very flashy acrobatic show, but having contemporary wushu done by apparent shaolin monks does a disservice to traditional CMA in that propspective students come looking for Shaolin CMA from a knowledge base of what they see in c wushu…and when they see the traditional arts they do not think it is real shaolin…so we have to go throught a whole education process which takes time. Represent traditinal shaolin as traditional shaolin and contemporary wushu as just what it is.
GHD
Fax
Gene,
You should be looking for the fax when you return to you office on Monday. I faxed 9 pages which includes the complete Lui Ho set as it was documented by Wan Li Sheng.
Wu Song Dao
Hi buddhapalm
Liu He Dao and Wu Song Dao (full name -
r.(shaolin)
Hi r.(shaolin)
Wu Song Dao sounds interesting, “Liu He” and ‘Cha Hua Dao’ too.
I think in the book “All Men Are Brothers”/Outlaws of the Marsh, Wu Song was famous for using the single or double dao. I think I will start reading it again this weekend.
Do you know if “Wu Song Breaks Handcuffs Fist” is a known or listed Honan form ?
I would be most interested in seeing the three saber sets sometime.
Best Regards
Buddhapalm
NS
I got the FAX - thanks! Page 8-9 didn’t come through, but I get the idea. Very cool.
bp
In the tradition of Shaolin Lohan Men
PaQua Dao
Thanks for the information r.
You mentioned:
“In the tradition of Shaolin Lohan Men that I practice there is also a Paqua Dao set. It was definitely part of the tradition as earlies as the 1840’s and most likely before that.”
I wonder if it is similar to ours.
In the middle does yours have: a wrist flower in a cat stance (spinning towards your face), then back of dao hits other hand in front of chest, then wrist flower changes direction, then wrap saber around body and cut across waist, step, jumping double front kick, spin around and cut down to right side with right chop in full horse.
Actually my Kung Fu Uncles call the set PaQua Dao, but our side calles it BaMen Dao (Eight Gate Saber). So I dont know what is the original name for it, but 8 gates and 8 trigrams are kind of a similar concept, I think.
I wonder if your systems Liu He Dao is related to the Liu He of Wan Lai Sheng.
The funny thing is that Leung Shum’s (of Ying Jow Pai Eagle Claw)Lie He Dao set on tape has almost the same first 10 moves as in my BaQua/BaMen Dao.
It would be most interesting to compare all these saber sets side by side.
Perhaps Gene, you could do an article on all the different Kung Fu saber styles one day. Perhaps you have already and I am just an unfaithful reader 
Cheers
Buddhapalm
kung fu saber styles
That’s too big a topic. I was contemplating something on variations akin to what we’ve discussed on this thread, but it would be more focused on a single form. All the dao forms would be too much.
I always assume wusong was a Liangshan form: that would seem to make the most sense. Perhaps it’s another form that shaolin adopted.
As for changing moves, I think much of our discussion is academic. It’s evolution. Not survival of the fittest as most might beleive, but net reproductive success. In short, you got to respect the ****eroach, golden or not.
Sorry, I’m right against deadline on a big project, so my referneces maybemore arcane than usual, but I hope those that got that one, really got it.
NS: got the rest of the fax - Thanks!
PaQua Dao
Hi Buddhapalm
Buddhapalm wrote:
I wonder if it is similar to ours.
In the middle does yours have: a wrist flower in a cat stance (spinning towards your face), then back of dao hits other hand in front of chest, then wrist flower changes direction, then wrap saber around body and cut across waist, step, jumping double front kick, spin around and cut down to right side with right chop in full horse.
The PaQua Dao we do doesn’t have this combination.
NorthernShaolin, does your version have this?
r.(shaolin)
Saber version
rik,
Yes , my version which is from Sun Yu Fung’s Northern Shaolin Lo Han, does have that or something very similar.
Buddahplam, maybe you remember that it was very similar. With the exception of a flower spin, we do a vertical reverse cut spin, stopped by the hand, then vertical forward spin, wrap around the head, horzontial cut across the chest , step, double kick, etc.
NorthernShaolin
Hi there,
Actually my description seems different, but I was meaning the same thing, I think.
I was calling the “vertical reverse cut spin” a wrist flower, but it looks like we are talking about the same move.
Rik,
The saber form that me and NorthernShaolin practice come from the same root. It got changed a little on the way, but basically the same.
Cheers all
Buddhapalm