He learned from books!
William Chung is hardly a SPM expert of any kind, and his Hung Ga was considered laughable. There is a long time running joke about Chung’s aquisition of Hung Ga from Lam Sai Wings books.
In any case, he may of learned the only real CMA he knows from Mark Foon, Sifu but my guess is that that was’nt much. I know for sure, he wont be opening any school in NYC! 
By the Way, I’m from N.Y.C.
I don’t know If we are talking about the same guy or i got the name wrong. But this guy is no fake. Ã
Its dangerous to think your immortal.
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mr. able i dont no if mr. chung is fake or not. but you said his student learn all these arts. i dont think so. spm take a life time to learn and you cant teach yourself or learn from some movie. i ask about this guy name william chung and people say he may be the same one who study long time ago under Mr. mark. but they say he not learn much and master mark have some trouble with him. they say he not with him log enough to learn much spm and master mark would not say he is good enough to teach spm. if he was this mr. chungs teacher and he say he not good enough this must be so. i dont no if this guy they talk about is the same bill chung but sound like the same.
I believe there were two brothers David and William Chung who learned the SPM system from Ho Dun (Master Gin Foon Mark’s training partner). Both of them taught SPM in Minneapolis in the 1970’s under the direction of Gin Foon Mark. There was a disagreement between the Chung brothers (especially William) and Master Mark and they went their separate ways. I don’t know if this is the same William Chung you are talking about.
[This message was edited by Bill on 09-23-00 at 11:38 AM.]
Kwong Sai Jook Lum Gee Tong Long Pai
Lineage: Sam Dot-Lei Siem-Lam Sang.
Legacy?
None of Hoo Dun’s Disciples ever openly produced a student who was fully booked in Jook Lum.
Norman claims to be teaching for 30 years.
After all this time, and after taking in (supposedly more than their money) more than 30 “disciples”, he has not produced a single student who can claim the title “Sifu”
His on-again-off-again partner, Milton has booted his students out and closed up shop.
The other three have remained behind closed doors.
Like others have said, if you are not blood, and you pay money, you aren’t getting the goods.
BTW, “Sam”, why have you to forsaken poor Chung Yel Jung? Even though he was surpassed, he was in the line as should be recognized.
OK, I’ll bite. What has happened to the new generation of JLSPM teachers? It seems like after the generation that learned from Lam Sang, we don’t really hear about any new/younger generation of teachers after that. It’s been 30-40 years afterall. Are they just underground 'cause the older generation is “keeping it in the family” or are they just not teaching, off doing bigger and better things (maybe they’re busy running a dot com somewhere 
)?
Long Live the Fighters!
-Paul Mua’Dib Atreides
Did he teach for Aaron Banks?
If he taught for Aaron Banks and appeared in an early karate magazine (circa 70’s) claiming to be the one and only successor of Hung Gar Kung fu, then he is the William Chung, I refered to.
Sam, arent you a Wing Chun student of James Cama?
How do you know, who exactly taught who, in Jook Lum lineage? Do you have a second teacher? or did Mr.Cama also recieve certification or blessings to teach Southern Praying Mantis? If so, there are a number of people who posted their desire to learn from a qualified instructor, maybe you can recommend one, for them.
Recently my wife returned from China and brought some books for me and some relatives, one was a book on Jook Lum with details on lineage and basics, It went to my brother in law, but I’ll call him, when I get the chance and ask about the lineage.
Once again I’m sorry to say that Chin, Ho-Dun, Sifu was incarcerated right up until he died, it was impossible to teach SPM to his disciples, while he was locked up. Then what did they learn? or who did they really learn the art from? or do they really know the art?
Important questions! 
Chung Yel Jung
Wong Yu Kung is highly regarded under Chung Yel Jung lineage.
Did you skip my questions?
Sam, did you overlook my questions? I’m sure you must be connected to some teacher of Jook Lum with your knowledge of lineage. Is James Cama also qualified to teach Jook Lum? Or are you a student of some other NYC Jook Lum teacher? Please answer, as you have revealed some connection and your post was adamant in its shortness. Are you a Wing Chun follower, a Jook Lum Follower or cross training in both. If so which is more appealing to your practical side?
From what I seen, both arts use a very different type of body structure and body work , although handwork (techniques) are similar. Can you post some information as a student of both? Perhaps comparing the two, in your humble opinion? Has there been any conflicts in your training, between the Wing Chun Hei Gung and the Jook Lum Hei Gung? or has the physical structure, stance, spinal alignment or hand guards, Wing Chun on centerline- Jook Lum on perimmiters caused problems for you? I will understand if you can’t answer these questions.
Self-Thinking Follower:
If you can get info from your brother-in-law, please post the publisher, author and title of the book on Jook Lum. I’m sure many people would love to find a copy, including myself. When was it published? This would be a big help. Thanks in advance. Look forward to seeing the info.
I’ll try and talk to him soon, but be warned, he doesnt see “eye to eye” with me on martial arts. I feel it’s resentment over the fact that I chose a different path than Jook Lum. I might let my wife get the information. 
i think this william is the person mr. able talk about. if so master mark has not to much good to say about this person according to the people i speak to.he most likly not quailified to teach. on lam sang side of lineage they have skipped over chung yel chung, on wong side he is in the lineage. something happen with chung yel chung and he was removed from there lineage. they dont talk about it much cause it cause trouble.lam traveled with lee seim se and this was considered his teacher. this is why lams art looks some different. i think you dont see many teaches in jook lum from lams student is because most are alive and student leave teacher do teaching. when lam was alive you did not here much from his branch. in smp mantis when ever someone open school you will always here about trouble. problem is lam make no one leader before he die. if he did he not make public and this cause trouble. you see this happen in wing chun. lam teach lots of people more then we no.there is all kind of rumor about his teaching of people who are not in his pictures and still have most of his art. these people do exist. i think lam always looking for someone good enough to take over we dont no if he ever find him.
Blanco’s SPM article/William Chung
F. Blanco acquired info from his trips to China/HK, articles and info on the web. It would be unfair to say that the majority of the info comes from a single source. F. Blanco does not practice s. mantis. He has no vested interest in s. mantis. He simply wrote a scholarly article on s. mantis. You should feel free to critique his work, but to dismiss it outright would be a mistake in my opinion
William Chung teaches village hung gar and s. shaolin. He doesn’t teach s. mantis to my knowledge. I believe that his “satellite” schools are in NJ. Hung gar people in NY know him
thank you for your help about mr. chung. do you no him? mr. blanco must have some interest in spm to take the time to write so much on this subject. when someone write on subject this much they must have a speical interest. does mr. franco study any martial art. cause it would be rare to write this much without interest in any art. j are you mr. franco? how come he dont have much imformation on wong side of the system. he have much on lams.
Roger is “Yummy”
Roger, er…Yum, don’t fumble now that you are near the goal line. Stay in character, and amybe you will learn something. Don’t be so damn eager with the questions. We all know your site is the biggest bust of 2000, but learn some patience!–
William Chung-village style?
I know Mark Foon, Sifu taught village style Hung ga to free-mason members. Hmmmmmmm, perhaps this william was a free mason? Southern Shaolin is a generic term, that’s used for Hung Ga also.
J wrote:
William Chung teaches village hung gar and s. shaolin. He doesn’t teach s. mantis to my knowledge. I believe that his “satellite” schools are in NJ. Hung gar people in NY know him
[This message was edited by Self-Thinking Follower on 09-27-00 at 12:10 AM.]
Please leave Mr. Haggod out of your childish games. Lets try to talk about something constructive. Like, has anyone have a picture or seen a picture of Chung Yel Chung or Wong Yuk Kong. If so where, and is it possible to get one.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother!
>thank you for your help about mr. chung. do you >no him?
This sounds friendly, but the rest of the message is highly sarcastic. I do not personally know Mr. Chung. I have never met him. I have met some of his students. One of them studied under William Chung and Gin Foon Mark. He speaks well of both of them.
> mr. blanco must have some interest in spm to
> take the time to write so much on this subject. > when someone write on subject this much they
> must have a speical interest. does mr. franco > study any martial art. cause it would be rare to > write this much without interest in any art.
Mr. Blanco practices n. mantis. While researching n. mantis, he had the opportunity to interview some s. mantis practitioners. He wrote an article and people from the s. mantis camp asked him to remove the article from the web. He complied. Other people who had copies chose to place it on the web. I personally know this info because I have had e-mail correspondences with Mr. Blanco. He is quite easy to find on the internet if you know how to find him. I suspect that your intentions are not good so I will not be the source to give you his e-mail address. I have no interest in s. mantis politics. I do not practice s. mantis. I simply provided some info on the article and its author. This message board is full of inaccuracies.
> j are you mr. franco?
No. There’s too much paranoia here.
> how come he dont have much imformation on wong > side of the system. he have much on lams.
Perhaps, he didn’t have any source info on the wong side. I’m sure if the Wong side chose to provide him with info, he would have added the info to the article. The some members of the s. mantis camp chose to have him remove the article from the web. After this experience, he had no interest in continuing research on s. mantis. He spends more of his time researching n. mantis. This is his true interest and art. He’s done a lot for n. mantis research
j im sorry if i come across like a wise guy. i dont mean to be. sometime i ask to many questions about this system. sorry. i did not mean to offend you. i just thought he spend much time on spm and i wonder why. you have given me a good answer. i wont ask again. i just wondered about wongs side because you dont see much printed about it. i moved to ny in 1977 and this was lams city and there was much talked about him. as for mr. hagood i dont no him. i have been to his website to read it a few times. he seem to no much about spm. we are not friends but we are not enemys either.