Props to the white guy in the asianvsluan clip for taking it to someone twice his size if not more. The black dude was just big and didnt do much in my opinion. He should have fought the white guy in the summervsosiris clip.
almost as impressive as beating someone your own size :rolleyes:
You know what I think? Here’s what I think… he would look completely different against someone his own size and similar skill level, maybe even degrading to kickboxing.
Actualy Asia fights quite a lot of people including many his own size. If you have a look around the site you will find pics of him taking on Skumer (featured in the second clip against Osiris) who is much closer to his size.
You might also notice that Asia quite clearly is not going full out on him and is basicaly playing around with him.
Still man im sure your right, one look at another fighter and im sure Asia would just denegrate into a useless pile of mush showing none of his technique or training.
Or maybe your wrong and are just reaching for basicaly any excuse to keep yourself in that special little place where you have something to look down on.
How on earth it is you can give props to any old MMA guy who jumps up in the cage no matter how poorly but you cant acknowledge a bit of skill coming from someone who very obviously knows what there doing is compleately beyond me.
I have spoken to Asia a few times and also spoken to quiet a few people that sparred with him.
General consensus is that he knows what he is talking about and not afraid to show/proof it either.
The guys that met him and touched hands with him tend to have a lot of respect for his skill.
I think he has also been involved in some comps over on the continent where he is currently stationed.
Still man im sure your right, one look at another fighter and im sure Asia would just denegrate into a useless pile of mush showing none of his technique or training.
Wow, I didn’t know you felt that way about kickboxing.
I would be very interested in seeing more clips of “Asia fighting using Bajiquan” against some guys his size and similar skill level.
Originally posted by truewrestler I would be very interested in seeing more clips of “Asia fighting using Bajiquan” against some guys his size and similar skill level.
Head over to Cyberkwoon, E-Budo and other sites he frequents and ask him to post some or simply talk to him.
I am sure that he won’t mind at all, he is a very nice, relaxed and friendly guy.
“Wow, I didn’t know you felt that way about kickboxing”
I practice both Thai and Chinese kickboxing. I have pleanty of respect for both arts oddly enough.
“You know what I think? Here’s what I think… he would look completely different against someone his own size and similar skill level, maybe even degrading to kickboxing.”
Lets get this strait…
You are the one who said “degrading to kickboxing” i took offence to your comment, dont try to turn this around.
You are the one who tried to state that what he was doing would ‘degrade’ into kickboxing’ against a better fighter. I was pointing out that this was not the case and he simply fights the way he is trained.
jon, That’s cool. I simply don’t think that video can be used as an accurate example of Bajiquan or Asia’s skill. You did not post it as “proof” of anything but that is the reason I watched it…to see real kung fu in action. I was just disappointed is all.
Seeriously though, that was Asia, The Dark Lord of BAJI. And that shoulder smash that knocks the little guy down about half way through is text book Baji. Lifted straight out of the form. There were other moments as well but that one jumps out as an excellent example of what BAJI! is supposed to be about.
This is the same Asia who regularly pwns! BJJ blackbelts. he . .. hehe.
Asia is a mixed martial artist, a nice guy, and someone who competes. I have a sneaking suspicion he’s the one yelling advice to the guys in the second vid. I also think on his fight, he purposefully didn’t go crazy on the luan because he was having fun and giving Luan his time to shine. He doesn’t need the affirmation of dominating the guy, it was a friendly thing.
That’s a get together of bullshido members, and really they should get props for putting them up, all things considered.
Also, I don’t think Asia was there to prove anything to anyone. However, I know he’s known to travel for matches. Truewrestler, why don’t you just ask him to go at it sometime, instead of expecting him to prove his arts to you via vids that he didn’t even make for you?
For the record, I don’t think all those guys are kung fu practitiners- I’m pretty sure Osiris is not, dunno on the others except for Asia.
I don’t remember Luan’s background. He hasn’t been posting long but his profile says MMA. Skummer, the other big guy, if I remember right is a WC guy…just checked his profile, my bad: "Judo, Ba gua Zhang, Tai Chi, Seven Star Mantis " Asia’s favorite hobby is laughing at so called MMA. He has certainly trained in a few things but considers himself a traditionalist and first and formost is the Grand Poobah of Baji. Osiris, the little (for that crowd) black guy I think used to do TKD but recently has been training MMA. His profile says gong-fu and wrestling.
I really wish I could have made it but it was in Atlanta and I live in Los Angelos. If I had the cash to fly to Atlanta for a weekend I would have already bought my ticket back to China anyways.
Truewrestler,
Sorry to dissapoint but THAT’S what it usually looks like! That was a pretty mixed crowd gong-fu and so called MMA. I like the clips because A: BAJI!!! B: they highlight the absirdity of the apparent rivalry between “traditional” and “MMA” fighting styles. There’s just people who honestly like to play and those who talk out their asses.
You stepped in this one I’m afraid. Asia’s as legit as they come. He’s traditional too. By that I mean he’s ACTUALLY traditional, like he and his buddies knock the stuffing out of each other, like boxers and us MMA types, etc.
He he he eh Asia once again proves why HE is the Emperor of Baiji!!!
I’ve spoken to him before, here, and mostly on Cyber Kwoon. Asia is defenetly one guy I’d like to meet some day. One thing I noticed about him, he really DOES move like the Baji forms I have here on vid. It’s not just his Shoulder check, it’s his foot work too. You can see him clearly sinking to charge his energy in certain segments of that clip. Contrary to popular belife, he seemed actually MORE mobile by doing it too. Also, he takes a knee, and just launches his opponent and uses a rather deep half horse stance to maintain his balance (Could be a 60/40, hard to tell from the angle though).
THIS is the type of stuff I was calling ot for about 6 months ago.
Originally posted by truewrestler
[B]I’m was not trying to comment on Asia or his skills (i don’t know the guy) but rather the clip as a demonstration of Bajiquan in action.
If Paul Varlens beats the **** out of me does that make Trap Fighting a good style? [/B]
I was serious that you should talk to Asia. He’s constantly setting up get togethers with people, and the sooner you and he get together, the sooner you finally take the plunge and get youself in kratee, where you can learn the serious whoopass, instead of this huggy touchy feely thing you got conned into.