Has any body tired the excercises from the No Weights Workout site http://noweightsworkout.com/. I was wondered what your experiences were and effectivness of the excercises.
I hope Dale Dugas is reading I’m really interested in what he has to say since I see his name in the fourms alot.
Thanks
We recently had a thread on this - try a search.
The exercises are a great workout and help to develop a tendon strength you dont see with weights. A great addition to anyones training.
Akronviper, what it your name brother. Usernames are extremely unfriendly. Let us know who you are and who you study under.
Sifu Steve Hamp posts here as well under Ho Chun. Feel free to ask him questions as well as he is the direct line to the material.
Later,
Dale
Why do you think that weight training doesn’t give you tendon strenght???
Ive been weight training for 12months and have read every book ive come across, it also helps that my girlfriend is a gym instructor. There is nothing better for developing tendon strength than weight training.
As for body weight exersises… If you have weights use them. If you do body weight exersise it’d take you years to get as strong as you would 2 or 3 months in the gym with heavy weights.
Kentman,
I said its different, not that you get no tendon development with weights. I have done both types of training and find the tension sets to build more range of motion than weights. Also way too many people think a little bit of weight and high reps gets you strong. It gets you nothing of the kind.
Putting heavy tension on your body and moving through ranges of motion has a bigger impact on tendon strength than just lifting.
I still lift things like heavyshotputs and sandbags, things that are not balanced and force me to use my core and stabilizer muscles.
IMHO tension sets are great when you dont have the time or space for weights.
Too many people lift light weights and scream like its hard. What a joke. I have been getting into more bodyweight exercises as well as they give me more range of movement as well as a fat burning workout from hell.
Not that weights are bad, just different.
Sifu Steve Hamp talks about doing the sets when your young and adding weight training when your older.
Ask Sifu Hamp for a better explanation. He posts here as Ho Chun.
In Quincy,
Dale Dugas
P.S. Akronviper, you around at all brother? Who are you and where do you train out there in Akron?
i used to go to the gym 6 days a week for 2-3 hours. i did that for almost 4 years. after i hurt my back i couldn’t go to the gym anymore. now i have been practicing kung fu for a little over 5 years. for some reason i get a different feel with the bodyweight excersises and other stuff associated with martial arts. i’m not sure if it is the excersises or that martial arts has taught me how to use my strength better.
No wonder you hurt your back!!!
I train with weights for 45mins, 3-4days a week. Any more than that and its pointless doing anything at all.
You can develop better ROM (range of motion) with weights as you can still move through you whole range for each muscle, however with single insertion muscles like biceps you can hang the weight after each rep to encorage streching and flexability.
actually i fell off a jet ski and hurt my back. when i fell off the jet ski my chest hit the water. my life jacket opened up and pulled my chest into the water. my legs and waist kept going forward over my back. does that make any sense. hurt like he$%. still bothers me to this day.
Dale, I have trained under G.M Chicone for aprox 2 yrs. I have done some of the excercises that Mr. Hamp has explained. They have seemed to have help me in a way differnt than weightlifting, but i wondering since there are others that have tried them out there with more experince than me what there thoughts are. Is my case an isolated case or have other experienced the same result. They are some tough excercises and I’m just curious
Also what types of isometric excercise do some of the other styles teach or do they even incorporate strength excercises in there styles.
Dale, you seem be expercined in the arts and your opinon of the results obtained by the excercises are appreciated.
I have lifted weights for years, Bench 320#, Squat 380# and DL 460# done lifting competions and the no weight excercises are still a B***H it just works differnt things. If I can do heavy squats and 1 min of body weight excercises make my legs quiver and burn some thing is working.
just remember you cant belive every thing you read, Ive read every other weight lifting book there is and nothing works better than just doing it.
tendon strength
Tendon’s cannot flex.
working out with weights is somehow different from using bodyweight
Your muscles don’t care if they’re contracting against iron, your own bodyweight, an opponent, or anything else. They know how to contract and relax. Nothing else.
Muscle 1: “Hey, tendons, wake up!!! This guy is doing body weight exercises!! You need to start strengthening!!”
Tendons: “Oh, geez, thanks man. We thought he was lifting weights and we were just going to sit here and not do anything.”
Muscle 2: “Man, you guys sure are lazy.”
:rolleyes:
The Green Dragon guy? With Sifu Allen?
PS. This thread is hilarious.
Gm Chicoine is not affiliated with Green Dragon. Sifu John Allen used his friendship to market his products with GM Chicoine in his ads.
If you notice his ads, he no longer talks about the ISCA or GM Chicoine.
GM Chicoine is an old school gem in the rough.
[QUOTE=IronFist]
Your muscles don’t care if they’re contracting against iron, your own bodyweight, an opponent, or anything else. They know how to contract and relax. Nothing else.QUOTE]
If only muscle worked so simply. I’m not trying to say that there is some magic working here but there are differnt types of muscle fibers ex: slow twitch and fast twitch. differnt excercises recrcuit differnt fibers. if muscle contraction was the end all of strength excercises then every one would just flex constantly and look like arnold. Football players use weight lifting along with polymetric excercises and isometric excercises to round out there training. Why because weights alone can not work the whole muscle.
anyways this thread kind of ran off track. its about the the NWW system and any results, some bodys had to try them, also do differnt styles incorporate isometric excercises.
How I understand the Allen/Chicoine relationship is they used to study together under Femen Ong (spelling ?) they split ways and Chicoine then studied under G.M Chang. I belive there really has not been an accociation since the 70’s early 80’s, but I may have it wrong just what i’ve heard
Thats great, your big and you worked hard for that, But following a better program it would have taken you much less time.
Yes something is working, 50% of your muscle.
The reason it hurts is cos your not using the whole muscle.
lets just say you have 100 muscle fibers in ur biceps, if you lift your arm ur using 10 fibers, lifting a brick your using 50 fibers and your max lift is 100fibers.
you see, by working body weight your not using the whole muscle, thats why it hurts after just 1min. You get stronger, but very slowly.
i think iron fist had a corinary or just gave up.
maybe both.
blessing?
Did gm chicoine give his blessing to put the excercises on the internet, or for sale ? Has gm chicoine seen these “exclusive videos”? Has any of gm chicoines senior students seen this web site?
lets just say you have 100 muscle fibers in ur biceps, if you lift your arm ur using 10 fibers, lifting a brick your using 50 fibers and your max lift is 100fibers.
modern research shows that if you are flexing your muscle, be it to show off your “guns”, lift a brick, or a 50# DB, the entire muscle is used. EVERY fiber activates to assist with the tension. The reason weights get you bigger faster is because you are microtearing your muscles more. The extra weight is increasing the damage. (which is why some body weight people say wieght lifting is bad and is more likely to cause an accident.)