Many Laowai come to herb stores with absolutely no understanding of what they’re looking for and it’s use so many herb store owners are naturally cautious, worried about being sued.[/QUOTE]
Most people go to a doctor without a clue of what they are looking for or what is wrong with them. I don’t think that’s exclusive to non-chinese.
Look at a western pharmacy, the equivalent of sorts to the apothecary of the east.
If you don’t have a prescription, you really aren’t going to get anything. lol
I would think the same is true of someone going to an apothecary.
[QUOTE=teetsao;1025197]I am proud to announce the release of my first first book in a 2 vol. set,authored with a friend, “Ancient martial formulas for health and healing”. This first vol. includes 56 external formulas.some of the most popular and secretive, iron palm and all purpose dit da jow formulas are presented in this book in their entirety.
first off thanx for the compliments on the site.
you are not being an ass, you are asking a legitimate question.
these formulas presented in the book were given to me and my partner,so that makes them my property to with as i see fit. no one can copywrite herbal formulas as they are a part of nature and only GOD has a copywrite on that.
funny thing is,we found out after looking at so many formulas,many are the same thing,and so many schools think they have a “secret” formula and some other school has the exact formula,but because very few schools share,they dont know it. one story in particular stands out, we received a closed door bak mei i.p. formula from a very generous man whom we traded formulas with. when we looked at it,we realized it was the northern shaolin formula made famous by ku yu cheong,exactly. so they thought they had a secret formula,but in reality it was one used by many schools. there are only so many ways to combine herbal formulas,then it just becomes redundant.we decided to put these formulas in the public so as to dispell myths and so called secrets, as secrets do not further the art. funny thing,a chinese herbalist told me once when i had him look at a “secret” formula,that only in the west do we think of these formjulas as secret,that most had been published in books in china at some point. the whole secret formulas thing was eavily propogated back in the 80s by schools such as green dragon studios and ho chun. they charged hundreds of dollars for formulas that only cost 25.00 and told people they were secret and no one else had them,when peter chan was selling his formula openly to the public in san francisco for 25.00. this is what hurts kung fu. it stops people from being able to afford jow formulas they need to train with. what we give in this book is freedom, the freedom to get the formulas you want filled where you want,when you want,and not have to pay hundreds.
in reality we couldnt even keep something as big as the atom bomb a secret how could we keep jow formulas secret??
[QUOTE=teetsao;1026032]first off thanx for the compliments on the site.
you are not being an ass, you are asking a legitimate question.
these formulas presented in the book were given to me and my partner,so that makes them my property to with as i see fit. no one can copywrite herbal formulas as they are a part of nature and only GOD has a copywrite on that.
funny thing is,we found out after looking at so many formulas,many are the same thing,and so many schools think they have a “secret” formula and some other school has the exact formula,but because very few schools share,they dont know it. one story in particular stands out, we received a closed door bak mei i.p. formula from a very generous man whom we traded formulas with. when we looked at it,we realized it was the northern shaolin formula made famous by ku yu cheong,exactly. so they thought they had a secret formula,but in reality it was one used by many schools. there are only so many ways to combine herbal formulas,then it just becomes redundant.we decided to put these formulas in the public so as to dispell myths and so called secrets, as secrets do not further the art. funny thing,a chinese herbalist told me once when i had him look at a “secret” formula,that only in the west do we think of these formjulas as secret,that most had been published in books in china at some point. the whole secret formulas thing was eavily propogated back in the 80s by schools such as green dragon studios and ho chun. they charged hundreds of dollars for formulas that only cost 25.00 and told people they were secret and no one else had them,when peter chan was selling his formula openly to the public in san francisco for 25.00. this is what hurts kung fu. it stops people from being able to afford jow formulas they need to train with. what we give in this book is freedom, the freedom to get the formulas you want filled where you want,when you want,and not have to pay hundreds.
in reality we couldnt even keep something as big as the atom bomb a secret how could we keep jow formulas secret??[/QUOTE]
Thanks Rodney, I appreciate what you are saying and I know as a devote Christian that “doing what we know is wrong” is not an option
It’s just that you hear so much stories about A stealing from B that we all end up worrying about that stuff.
You guys keep up the good work and follow the “road less traveled” and my Our Beloved Lord keep you and strengthen you always.
Martial knowledge doesn’t belong to US, we merely are its caretakers till we pass it one to someone else.
Not being a Christian but a Taoist who seeks to live by a code of Four Virtues, I strive to offer the same thing as my friend Rodney does. I have an extremely hard time with anyone who misrepresents themselves or flat out deceives others for gain or profit of any kind.
Way too many people out there on the West Coast and East Coast with very questionable legitimate herbal educational backgrounds offering Chinese herbal products and marking them up 300% to make money rather than actually help the people in need.
This is why I started CDIA Supplies in the first place due to all these bad people who sell Chinese herbs to people and not only rip them off but give Chinese medicine a very bad name.
That is how I met Rodney in the first place. He contacted me as he wanted to know more information about a formula that he had purchased from a West Coast herb supplier. This supplier had sold him a well known and strong iron palm formula.
Rodney sent me two little sandwich bags full of herbs that were not even the herbs in the real formula he was seeking. I was shocked and disgusted that this supplier (who I had known at the time, and due to this and other incidents I severed all ties professional and personal) could actually take someones money and send them something that was NOT what the customer had ordered in good faith.
I made an impression on Rodney as I sent him back a huge bag of herbs that weighed 5 pounds. Which was the correct formula and the actual amount needed to make it properly. I remember when he got the package and contacted me, he was amazed.
As I mentioned before, there are lots of charlatans and fakes out there masquerading as trained herbalists. Caveat Emptor…
I am not, and strive to help people according to their own needs. This being one of the Four Virtues of the Li Jia Xin Fu Dao, I live by.
Let me know how I can be of service to anyone here on the forum.
[QUOTE=teetsao;1026032]first off thanx for the compliments on the site.
you are not being an ass, you are asking a legitimate question.
these formulas presented in the book were given to me and my partner,so that makes them my property to with as i see fit. no one can copywrite herbal formulas as they are a part of nature and only GOD has a copywrite on that.
funny thing is,we found out after looking at so many formulas,many are the same thing,and so many schools think they have a “secret” formula and some other school has the exact formula,but because very few schools share,they dont know it. one story in particular stands out, we received a closed door bak mei i.p. formula from a very generous man whom we traded formulas with. when we looked at it,we realized it was the northern shaolin formula made famous by ku yu cheong,exactly. so they thought they had a secret formula,but in reality it was one used by many schools. there are only so many ways to combine herbal formulas,then it just becomes redundant.we decided to put these formulas in the public so as to dispell myths and so called secrets, as secrets do not further the art. funny thing,a chinese herbalist told me once when i had him look at a “secret” formula,that only in the west do we think of these formjulas as secret,that most had been published in books in china at some point. the whole secret formulas thing was eavily propogated back in the 80s by schools such as green dragon studios and ho chun. they charged hundreds of dollars for formulas that only cost 25.00 and told people they were secret and no one else had them,when peter chan was selling his formula openly to the public in san francisco for 25.00. this is what hurts kung fu. it stops people from being able to afford jow formulas they need to train with. what we give in this book is freedom, the freedom to get the formulas you want filled where you want,when you want,and not have to pay hundreds.
in reality we couldnt even keep something as big as the atom bomb a secret how could we keep jow formulas secret??[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, many times people tell you it’s the “super secret” formula used in their system but it’s really just a general formula or a formula well known to the public too.
And I should clarify. I’m just saying this because I’ve been mislead before like the Bak Mei guy mislead you, but it probably cost me more. I don’t trade formulas because they don’t belong to me (if someone wants one I tell them to contact the sifu that sold it to me), so I paid cash each time.
Also, those slabs break for you like twigs and you don’t seem to have any callouses like in the Hapkido guy’s iron palm video or deformities like the Japanese guy in the “the ugly hands of iron palm” video. So if you’ve developed your power and conditioning using only the formulas in this book as they are presented in the book with no changes, we should probably all grab a copy!
thank all of you for your support. first let me say dale is right,i met him because 5 years ago i bought what i thought was the chan ning tong from a popular west coast herb supplier. now whetther he was mislead or not,all i got was a small bag of herbs that would barely make a half gal. much less a gal. or more. dale told me to send the herbs to him, he looked it over,added the missing ingredients,7 herbs if my memeory serves me correctly,treated them,then sent them back and would only accpet shipping charges and no more. so he went out of his way to help me get the right formula,to which i am very grateful. then over the last 4 years i have collected and asked questions and made contacts. all the formulas i have have been given to me or traded for. we decicided to release this book so all can have access to what we have.
“faruq” yes i use the formulas in the book,specifically the chan ning tong, which is one of my top 3 favorite.It has been called a “true iron palm” formula by mike biggie.
i have some calluses on my palms but that just comes with it,and i am a man you know,LOL, but seriously the jows realy help in proplonging your training and protecting your hands from future damage,because after all we are hitting steel shot/iron ore with our bare hands. the body has the amazing ability to adapt to almost anything,and the jow helps to speed and prolong the process
.“sanjro-ronin” thanx for your support good to see a bro. on here. i saw quite disturbing things from gene ching and others on a discussion about a pic of jesus and some girl on a playboy cover. i will not get involved in that discussion,LOL, but i will say this, “be not deceived! for GOD is not mocked,whatever a man soweth,that shall he also reap”.
I am one of the contributors of formulas for this book and I am proud to see it come to fruition and Ive already had herbal orders from people wanting formulas from the book filled.
Rod has set forth to offer something that is very valuable here. Ive given him my personal opinions at length as to why a book like this is necessary and I support this endeavour 100%, and all of you should too. The age of secrets in martial arts is fortunately coming to an end and this book is a first big step, which is why I decided to donate non-public formuals to it and am also contributing to the up-coming internal formulas volume.
If you are a martial artist and have an interest in dit da formulas, there is no other published work out there that you will enjoy as this book; Rod has ran formuals by me to make sure the herb names are easily understood–none of the mistakes or misspellings that were purposely done on recipes in the past. Straightforward and valuable info here. Really, the price is quite reasonable..
[QUOTE=woliveri;1026236]Doesn’t a book like this hurt your business? Or, do you have other formulas which are considered superior to those in this book?
How does a book like this benefit or not hurt you guys?[/QUOTE]No, I dont think the book hurts business–how do you figure it would hurt business, rather than help?
While there are recipes that I sell that dont show up in the book, every one will have their own preference; we all like different things and consumers still have to get their herbs somewhere. And so my customers can fill any recipe (in the book or not) with me via half-gallons, herb packs, or just whole raw herbs, and if I get enough requests about making something premade that we dont yet premake, Ill just add it to the product line. Bottom line, I receive new formulas from customers wanting them filled, almost daily. At some point you just realize that its jsut another formula and its really quite trivial. Whats important is to provide the consumer with what they wnat, not attempt to charge them more because nobody else knows the secret recipe.
Ultimately, the secrecy is ridiculous and Ive somewhat passively resisted the proliferation of the hidden aspects of TCM and Kung Fu in general, which is why I put up the PD public recipe page, which by the way Ive received accolades on from literally hundreds of people. So business aside, its something I feel strongly about and Im positive that I will continue to increase sales, perhaps even at a faster rate than ever, due to both my connection with Rod as well as other projects in the future that will continue to dispel mystery and provide the consumer with the tools that those in the past have so selfishly held back…
I have over 300 formulas that I have been given to me from old school herbalists. I am not worried about not having different formulas that people might want to experience.
I can also treat certain herbs and make my formulas work better than those who do not. Many people do not believe in Pao Zhi Fa, but that is where I make formulas that are different from most.
I cook my medicines that I sell as premade and they are different than those that are cold soaked.
I can tweak any and all formulas with my training as well as the education I am getting from Acupuncture school.
I have no issues with the book. I look forward to being able to offer the formulas included at better prices than any of the other suppliers listed in it, and yes, I am one of the included Chinese herbal suppliers. hint hint, I will beat everyone elses prices…
I am actually thinking of working with Rod and creating a version of the book with all the Han Zi needed for you to take the formulas to a Chinese herbalist.
I have tweaked many formulas with my knowledge and made them my own.
Herbalism is an art, and if you know certain concepts you can create stronger formulas if you understand the concepts involved and create customized formulas.
I can and will work with anyone who wants to customize a formula for training.
Let me know how I can be of service to anyone here on the forum.[/QUOTE]
Although do to work, time constraints, and other issues… I never got to meet Dale while I lived in Boston or the several times I’ve been back… I can attest that he is everything he says he is! I’ve talked to Dale on the phone and through email and he was always willing and ready to meet or help. Never had a problem reaching the guy it was just my slave to my job mentality that kept me from meeting up with him every time we made plans.
again,wolf and i could have put the formulas in the book in the chinese characters,as we have 99% of the formulas in chinese characters and my herbalist would write any of them for me. we made most available just exactly the way we received them,no changes. also with them in pin yin, YOU, can learn the formulas,which is important. dont just go buy a formula not knowing anything about it. learn the formula you use. learn the herbs,their names and how to identify them and what their actions are in the formula. become educated on the herrbal formulas you use so you can pass it on as it is a dieing art.
I think this is a new age and a welcome one at that. From my exprience in the Chinese Martial Arts stemming from the early 80s, the secrecy thing really burned my azz and caused me to all but give up Chinese Martial Arts, moving into the Qigong area, and as such have developed a very cynical attitude towards the entire Traditional Chinese Martial art world. So I think it’s great that you guys have stuck to it and have emerged unscathed with good, positive attitudes. I wish all would do as such.
On a separate note, Dale I admire you for keeping with the TCM Studies but having done the math, I have absolutely no idea how you are going to recover the enormous cost you must have incurred to complete your education. This is another thing that burns my rear, the massive cost of studying Chinese Medicine in the states which is why I’ve often suggested to others to go to China to study. If I were younger I would love to complete such an education (were the cost reasonable).
Greetings all:
Just wanted to set straight one of the things mentioned here, the Books are not “Being Re-done” by anyone. They are presented exactly the way Rod and myself envisioned them.
I can however, understand some People wanting to be a part of History in the Making
Regards,
-Wolfgang
Yeah, it’s seems in life some people just meet the right people they need to in order to fullfill their dreams and other people search and search as they may and just meet charlatans, or meet real people who just never end up teaching them the real stuff. I think people lik Dale, Garry Hearfield, the guys at Pak Met dot net, etc. have all just been so fortunate in life in that respect.
[QUOTE=woliveri;1026280]Thanks PlumDragon and Dale for your replies.
I think this is a new age and a welcome one at that. From my exprience in the Chinese Martial Arts stemming from the early 80s, the secrecy thing really burned my azz and caused me to all but give up Chinese Martial Arts, moving into the Qigong area, and as such have developed a very cynical attitude towards the entire Traditional Chinese Martial art world. So I think it’s great that you guys have stuck to it and have emerged unscathed with good, positive attitudes. I wish all would do as such.
On a separate note, Dale I admire you for keeping with the TCM Studies but having done the math, I have absolutely no idea how you are going to recover the enormous cost you must have incurred to complete your education. This is another thing that burns my rear, the massive cost of studying Chinese Medicine in the states which is why I’ve often suggested to others to go to China to study. If I were younger I would love to complete such an education (were the cost reasonable).
i would like to thank "socal78"for his purchase of the book. he will hopefully be reveiwing it on the forum after he receives it and looks it over. thanx again.
Good Book!!! It has allot of formulas in it. Its about time someone has done it !!! Their are no secrets now !!! Everyone in martial arts Who studies Iron Palm,should have a copy of this book . It has allot of good Information …
