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somewhere i have the vhs of it, just hope i can find it. some of my tapes got damaged and i had to toss them so hopefully it wasn’t one of those.
LOL VHS, your dating yourself steve… but if it helps you feel better I have some on 8mm
[QUOTE=18elders;1141845]somewhere i have the vhs of it, just hope i can find it. some of my tapes got damaged and i had to toss them so hopefully it wasn’t one of those.[/QUOTE]
Quick word of advice to anyone that still has stuff archived on VHS… after about 10 years, the recording medium on the tape starts to deteriorate, so transfer your footage to something better like DVD or better yet, a hard drive as soon as possible. You can buy VHS to DVD recorders for under $50 at places like Target. It’s worth the investment.
vhs
I have just started the process of changing them to dvd. will probably take me a while.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1141854]Quick word of advice to anyone that still has stuff archived on VHS… after about 10 years, the recording medium on the tape starts to deteriorate, so transfer your footage to something better like DVD or better yet, a hard drive as soon as possible. You can buy VHS to DVD recorders for under $50 at places like Target. It’s worth the investment.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for reminding me on this. I’ll do this ASAP. I have so many tournaments tape that I don’t want to lose it.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1141701]Here is a good rendition of the form, though again done at teaching speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJT665b1ew&feature=related
This is also a bad example of performing northern mantis with taichi favour.
One is too rigid. The other, too soft.
This is starting to sound like Goldilocks and the 3 bears.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1141839]codeboy, can you explian? the aplication does not change due to the speed, pauses or empahsis[/QUOTE]
I don’t mean to say that the application changes when the speed does. I mean to say that when I see the pauses and at this speed that I am more able to see the differences in the application compared to how I learned the form and the application that I learned. Does that make more sense?
ahh yeah that makes more sense, thats was I asked you to explian, sometimes the smaller things are broken down the eaiser it is to see the subtlies. for yers in our chi sao form i never saw the spiraling movemnet of my teachers fist, then when he broke it dowen in slow motion i was missing a whole cyntrifical movement and force which I had never known estisted
Yep, no problem. I suppose a specific example would always help too, eh? 
So, when he does his sembo (at 1:00 and 1:03) for example, he really drops his arm and scoops as if blocking a kick. The way I learned the application it was always more of a tiu sao clear type of motion. MightyB, you have any thoughts?
[QUOTE=Codeboy;1142040]Yep, no problem. I suppose a specific example would always help too, eh?
So, when he does his sembo (at 1:00 and 1:03) for example, he really drops his arm and scoops as if blocking a kick. The way I learned the application it was always more of a tiu sao clear type of motion. MightyB, you have any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
You mean this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahxhozz7d5M
?
The technique is called Avoiding hardness. But, it looks more like he is trying to meet hardness head on and crash into it.
It is also know as dodging steps. Though, he is not dodging (or avoiding) anything. So, in this case, the move seems to have transformed into something else that it was not originally intended to be.
THis is a good example of why knowing some of the original names of the techniques might influence you or be helpful to you.
I don’t think he would do the moves this way if he knew the names.
[QUOTE=Codeboy;1142040] (at 1:00 and 1:03) for example,[/QUOTE]
That move can be used as:
- Both you and your opponent have right side forward.
- You start with a right punch, he blocks with his right arm.
- You use your right hand to control his right wrist, left hand to push his right elbow to his left (not showing in the form).
- You use your right leg to bite into his leading right leg (also not showing in the form).
- When he lifts his right leg up,
- you release your left elbow control hand, use your left arm to circle up his right leg, and
- sweep his back left leg.
It can be a beautiful 5 moves combo.
- punch,
- arm jam,
- shin bite,
- pick up leading leg,
- sweep back leg.
The form creator might want to train this combo on both sides. In the form, the “set up (1, 2, 3)” was only for his right side but not for his left side.
Here is also a good example that when you training this as a 5 moves combo, you may want to add the missing parts 2 and 3 back in (The form creator might intend to hide this). Another good reason to train drills instead of forms. The forms sometimes just have too many missing elements in it. 
[QUOTE=Codeboy;1142040]Yep, no problem. I suppose a specific example would always help too, eh?
So, when he does his sembo (at 1:00 and 1:03) for example, he really drops his arm and scoops as if blocking a kick. The way I learned the application it was always more of a tiu sao clear type of motion. MightyB, you have any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Master Brazier articulated my thoughts on that particular sequence quite well…
How I was shown and how this gentleman is demonstrating is similar but different. (Like you, more tiu sau and avoidance)
I’ve come to accept that that’s one of the neat and fascinating things about this style. Everyone’s interpretation is a little different even within the same system and there’s nothing wrong with that. If anything, learning why someone may demonstrate something differently than you may shed light on new possibilities within a movement.
Hey Steve, I have the entire Scrima demo which includes Master Shi, plus you and John doing the two-man form to 18-Elders.
18 Elders 2-man
The 18 Elders 2-man set is here.
Please disregard the website as I started this before I was hospitalized and haven’t gone back to it since. I just needed someplace to park the video clip.
Steve, sent you a PM. Send me your email and I can send you the .avi file if it doesn’t download from the link I posted.
Hi Yao,
Thanks for posting that, I didnt think I would ever see it again.
K
Hey Kevin, I’ll be in the area next week. Mind if I stop by the school? Been out of the loop for a few years due to health issues.
I’ll probably be there Tuesday evening with some time to kill. Got a stunt shoot down in Riverview on Wednesday for an Internet ad. Or maybe stop in Wednesday evening depending on the hours I work and whether I ride down there the day before.
Let me know, I don’t want to disturb a class or anything.
Liked the 2 man version but agree with Alex Tse that the others did not fit with 7 star mantis.
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;1144520]The 18 Elders 2-man set is here.
Please disregard the website as I started this before I was hospitalized and haven’t gone back to it since. I just needed someplace to park the video clip.
Steve, sent you a PM. Send me your email and I can send you the .avi file if it doesn’t download from the link I posted.[/QUOTE]
This is a good 2 men form,but why put a Southern style opening moves infront of a Northern style mantis form?
the southern bow
[QUOTE=alextse4;1145142]This is a good 2 men form,but why put a Southern style opening moves infront of a Northern style mantis form?[/QUOTE]
I Alex,
I can answer this question as I heard my shifu explain this myself.
He told us that this particular bow was a part of the Southern Chinese tradition and that no teacher of his that taught mantis had this bow.
But, because of the movies and tv shows, and us living in Taiwan-a southern part of China- he felt that in doing performances if we left off this bow then people might think us impolite.
So, the point was to preserve some sort of humbleness as recognized by the Taiwanese.
In later year, when traveling and performing in places other than Taiwan this bow stayed with us.
As a side note, his first style was Southern kung fu, so it must be a tradition he has had since very young.