In all honesty this was pretty much a joke thread. I don’t take much of this place serious anymore. I’m surprised it went beyond one page. I expected a couple of oddball comments and then it disappears.
Just shows you the state of conversation on this forum. A shining example of why I don’t take this place serious.
Personally, I don’t mind the MMA participation as long as it’s technical discussion. The insulting comments and wide generalizations that CMA techniques don’t work etc. are just a waste of time.
If you think something doesn’t work then explain why. Offer a better way if you have one. If someone prefers to stick with what works for them then respect their choice instead of claiming they’re clueless and in fantasy land. It’s obvious there’s an ‘us vs them’ undertone to half the threads here.
Merryprankster is a good example of discussing CMA from a MMA perspective. Knifefighter is the worst, mostly taking jabs and provoking.
Maybe give people the benefit of doubt. If I say I’ve used a certain technique with success why do I need to provide video and affidavits from eyewitnesses? Take it with a grain of salt if you want to don’t call me a liar.
And you’re right about the recent trend of rudeness. It seems to have hit an all time high around here. That’s what happens when people can’t have a civil conversation. It all devolves.
A part of me wants to blame the recent rudeness on our forum on MMA phenomenon. Don’t get me wrong - I love MMA - but it’s rampant commercialism has brought about a general loss of etiquette in the martial arts. That’s the real sacrifice and something we’ll all have to deal with in the future. But truth be told, I don’t really think that’s what’s at fault here. It’s more the insecurities of the traditionalists, and I say that as a traditionalist. In general, traditionalists are too easily sucker-punched by the ol’ MMA ‘real in the ring’ debate.
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Wow, 1998 called, they want thier realization back. Recent rudeness? There’s nothing recent about it. CMA has been a whipping dog on this site for nearly a decade. I remember a time here where If you weren’t fellating Royce Gracie’s effigy you were taken out back and shot.
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Maybe give people the benefit of doubt. If I say I’ve used a certain technique with success why do I need to provide video and affidavits from eyewitnesses?
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Because He is a wanker…
You do realize its all small man syndrome. You know, " if you can’t make yourself bigger, then try your best to make everyone smaller." God forbid we lowly CMA guys bite the doggy treat off our noses before the “mazta” says so.
Sure there’s been CMA detractors all along. That’s to be expected. And the CMA vs. MMA argument is been replayed over and over, like a bad youtube vid. However, over the last few months, there has been a recent trend towards exceptional rudeness on the main forum in particular. Despite Yao Sing’s ‘joke thread’ comment, obviously this touched a nerve. And clearly it’s not the only thread to address this issue here lately. Perhaps because we haven’t had a good banning run in a spell. Perhaps it’s fallout from the holidays. I’m hoping it passes. Should it be taken seriously? Well, the forum, like any community, especially a martial community, has its share of *******s. If we banned all the *******s, well, that’s just unnatural. At the same time, there are plenty of interesting members here so I still enjoy the discussions. And I take my enjoyment very seriously.
Gene, there is an obvious answer. Anyone who mis-behaves should be temporarily banned AND be forced to post for a few weeks over at the BFP forum :eek:
I’d normally say Happy New Year, but the real one isn’t here yet
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;730600]Wow, 1998 called, they want thier realization back. Recent rudeness? There’s nothing recent about it. CMA has been a whipping dog on this site for nearly a decade. I remember a time here where If you weren’t fellating Royce Gracie’s effigy you were taken out back and shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=unkokusai;730660]The master of whining-fu shows his ‘form’ :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
You got to be kidding… you are one of the biggest advocates of CMA shagging here. With over 1500 post to your name and about 90% of it anti CMA, just like I asked Knife fighter…why do you continue come here?
I don’t post much, yet I’ve been here since the days of Ralek. I don’t think I’ve read anything that you have posted that is decent or tuley positive about a Chinese martial art.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;730667]Sure there’s been CMA detractors all along. That’s to be expected. And the CMA vs. MMA argument is been replayed over and over, like a bad youtube vid. However, over the last few months, there has been a recent trend towards exceptional rudeness on the main forum in particular. Despite Yao Sing’s ‘joke thread’ comment, obviously this touched a nerve. And clearly it’s not the only thread to address this issue here lately. Perhaps because we haven’t had a good banning run in a spell. Perhaps it’s fallout from the holidays. I’m hoping it passes. Should it be taken seriously? Well, the forum, like any community, especially a martial community, has its share of *******s. If we banned all the *******s, well, that’s just unnatural. At the same time, there are plenty of interesting members here so I still enjoy the discussions. And I take my enjoyment very seriously. :)[/QUOTE]
This explains a lot……
What planet are you on?
There are about six guys with the names of “Mr jujigatme”, “Mr shime waza,” “trangle.4you”, “Stickfighter,” “ChokeUout” and “SubmitUhard.” (obviously …not their internet names ) that have a MMA vent and have hijacked this news group from time to time.
I truly wondered if their was a moderator…Now I understand….
[QUOTE=hung-le;730707]You got to be kidding… you are one of the biggest advocates of CMA shagging here. With over 1500 post to your name and about 90% of it anti CMA, just like I asked Knife fighter…why do you continue come here?[/QUOTE]
We have so many posts because we only post under one name, rather than pretending to be several different people.
MMA people are agressive and want to win at any cost.
Kung Fu people are more into history, tradition and respect.
MMA is real popular now so I bet there’s more agressive and rude behavior on all martial art discussion boards.
It’s pretty simple really.
I remember a few years back when I used to post on Bullshido. I read a post about one guy who said that he was going to stop visiting Bullshido because it had affected his behavior. He started to have the “if you don’t have it on video, then it didn’t happen” and the “STFU NOOB!” attitude at work. Life became more about “being” right, rather than doing what was right.
I really think that the general MMA/UFC/PRIDE fan attitude is agressive and rude.
Take a look at all of the in-fighting over at Sherdog. It’s ridiculous.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;730738]So where does that leave the Kung Fu MMA people like myself?[/QUOTE]
That’s easy. You’re a person who respects tradition agressively.
Actually, my first explaination was over simplified and very much a generalization.
There is crossover. I think the crossover is part of what makes this forum unique. We have people that are very much into Kung Fu. Then we have people who are into MMA but with a Kung Fu twist and every shade of gray inbetween.
There is a problem in Kung Fu/CMA. There are too many fakes. Too much BS. Too much mystery and unbelievable stories. Kung Fu has been around for a long long time but this MMA revolution comes along and they are calling us out.
Kung Fu/CMA is at a crossroads right now. I believe that something needs to change. Look at Cung Lee. There’s nobody left for him to fight. No up-and-comers. So he’s moving over to MMA. Will he dominate there like he has in San Shou? I think he’ll do ok, but he won’t dominate.
All this rude/agressive talk is Kung Fu’s wake up call. MMA isn’t coming. It’s here. And it looks like it will be here for quite a while.
So to answer your question. Where does it leave the Kung Fu MMA people like Master Killer. I think it leaves people like you as the future of Kung Fu. Hopefully, myself and many others will be there with you.
I don’t think Cung Le is moving from San Shou to MMA because he’s run out of people to fight. I think it’s more for the long green. Exactly how much $$ can you make fighting san shou? And how much in MMA?
I agree that martial arts is at a crossroads of sorts, but not just CMA. CMA might not be the best in the MMA world, but it still offers plenty that MMA doesn’t offer. Money isn’t one of them, though.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;730769]I don’t think Cung Le is moving from San Shou to MMA because he’s run out of people to fight. I think it’s more for the long green. Exactly how much $$ can you make fighting san shou? And how much in MMA?
I agree that martial arts is at a crossroads of sorts, but not just CMA. CMA might not be the best in the MMA world, but it still offers plenty that MMA doesn’t offer. Money isn’t one of them, though.[/QUOTE]
I admit, that I was reaching with the whole why Cung Le is leaving San Shou assumption but even that articel hinted that he’s the best in the game. Leading to your point, a game with very little $$.
I also agree that CMA has a lot to offer that MMA doesn’t. But I think that there must be a reason as to why CMA has been left out of the MMA equation.
CMA is hard to test. There are so many styles. And to place credit where credit is due, your Chin Woo special edition got me thinking this way.
Basically, we are being called Sick Men of CMA by MMA.
I believe that CMA needs a revolution, needs to be united. So many different styles, in my opinion make CMA weak.
