Shaolin, I wouldn’t call it a brilliant marketing strategy—I think it’s a convenient way to distinguish it from JJJ.
Kinda like the different Tai Chi styles, no?
:mad: The people who disagree and doubt my masculinity im gonna kick your ass then **** on your wounds you ****sucking ***gots! I’m a mean uneducated south american and btw i have native blood too so im canibal and ill eat your insides and put your head on a spear in front of my house.
yeah ShaolinD is mostly correct.
Nobody I met in brazil distiguished BJJ from JJJ. It was all simply Jujitsu. It’s a marketing strategy, it’s not an evil thing. The gracies came to america to promote themselves and jujitsu, I’d say they did a good job, nothing wrong with that.
I’d have to say though that Brazil is not as “tough” as us north americans make it out to be. I was talking with a BJJ instructor once about my stay there and how in capoeria we had to run barefoot up and down the street in juiz De Fora which is a city in the mountains so it’s a hard place to run. his comment made me laugh he says “Yeah, those Brazillians are a special breed”. The way he talked abou them, he it in a way that made it seem like just because they were Brazillian they were tough and mean. Come to find out he has never been to brazil and never even met a brazillian. People like that should talk to my 1st sifu’s son, he was born and raised in brazil and is the laziest person I have ever met, he is also very “wussy”.
Sorry but the “hot blooded, mean, tough brazillian” is just a myth created for ads in MA magazines to sell us “BJJ”.
No no–I meant that it’s a good thing in the US to distinguish it from JJJ. So, yeah it’s a marketing strategy in the sense that it is a name brand, but for convenience sake, it’s nice too 
Originally posted by Xebsball
[B]:mad: The people who disagree and doubt my masculinity im gonna kick your ass then **** on your wounds you ****sucking ***gots! I’m a mean uneducated south american and btw i have native blood too so im canibal and ill eat your insides and put your head on a spear in front of my house.
yeah ShaolinD is mostly correct. [/B]
Ditto that. From Santiago, Chile.
Bjj is the best martial art today it has adapted to todays needs not like kung fu that was developed one thousand years ago and still practice the same way now that is just freakin unbelieveable
“that is just freakin unbelieveable”
You know in Friends, when Joey and Chandler have a weird roommate (the guy with a goatee from, oh, what’s that film? Dazed and Confused, that’s the one) and he buys him a fish, and it’s a cereal, and he always says “that - that is UNBELIEVABLE!!”
Cracks me up man.
Myosimka, is it cool with you if I use that in my signature?
Re: Re: My One and Only Problem With BJJ
Originally posted by dre
[B]
Why study an art that is bound to lower you’re IQ? [/B]
hahaaha
Maybe “you’re” IQ is low enough as it is!
Ford Perfect, that really steams me. I’m sorry you had to even bother with “judoka” like that. I have never in my life heard a judoka say “we won’t grapple full power on the ground because we’ll hurt you.” That is SO against the nature of judo that it makes me cringe. :mad: What a bunch of idiots. Probably had no ground attack whatsoever. Judo mcdojo if you ask me.
My school was very competitive and encougaged tournaments a lot. Even if you didn’t compete, you rolled with the competitors on a regular basis. Plus many there were crosstraining in BJJ and wrestling. Tools to win the game.
Anyway, just ranting. That really puts a bad light to REAL judoka.
Ryu
If you don’t want to learn BJJ then that’s your lost. I’m personally sick of peeps in general when they have the opportunity to learn something/anything and just cause they HERESAY they automatically discount it. If u’re gonna do that then I might as well avoid going to WHITE CLUBs cause I’m asian. Or not listen to rap music anymore cause it sends the WRONG message. Pure BS. Be Stupid then.
I have to say I do agree with Legend.
The people are real nice and respectful where I train. There is
definetly some arrogance in the BJJ community, but it’s like
that with anything, and I doubt it’s as common as you think.
It’s usually the smallest dog who barks the loudest.
LEGEND, you suck
shut up or leave
Legend,
The only part of your post I even understand is “be stupid then.” Honestly, I have no idea what you’re trying to say. BJJ may very well be god’s gift to martial arts, but until you get a better handle on the language, you may want to hold off throwing the “stupid” label around so liberally.
I don’t think it’s so stupid to not want to spend 100 bucks a month to train with people you don’t like. Though I will say that all the responses about how my perception is off has made me re-think giving it a try.
Of course, your attitude makes me re-re-think it. Irony, eh?
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Rev. Tim
Rev, it’s quite simple actually.
If you want to learn how to dominate a fight if it ends up on the ground, take BJJ
If you don’t care about that aspect of the fight game, don’t take BJJ
Personally, I don’t care much for most Kung Fu guys outside of training. But I wont let that stop me from learning a good art.
Hey Tim,
The BJJ school on Mystic Ave, thats the one that I mentioned before. The guys that run the school are really nice and mellow. The dude Marcello (sp?) that runs the school is cool, you should stop in and talk to him if youre at all interested. The classes there were very small = good for learning. Seems like a good place with no bad attitude. I may cross train there someday if i can ever find the time.
The bjj place in Watertown seemed to have more of an attitude. I stopped in to watch their vale tudo class a couple of times and found some bubbas with puffed out chests, scores of gi patches and that ‘wadda you lookin at’ glare. But it was a large class and I’m sure that there were cool people there too, I just didnt get to meet them.
Oh, i just heard yesterday from Eve that Sifu Stan has to close up shop and move the wing chun school again, apperently the artist chik who sublet the Medford space booted him for some reason.
Regards!
Water Dragon,
I think you misread my post. I wasn’t asking if BJJ was any good or if I should give it a try. I was asking why it seems to create so many swaggerng a-holes.
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Rev. Tim
I was asking why it seems to create so many swaggerng a-holes.
Tim, it’s because some people actually believe the following statements to be the truth:
If you want to learn how to dominate a fight if it ends up on the ground, take BJJ
If you don’t care about that aspect of the fight game, don’t take BJJ
Rev Tim…u’re a IGNORANT…all the way! U’re gonna be ignorant…yes ignorant enuf to post about why u don’t want to train BJJ cause of a few guys mouth off about how good it is??? Garbage. When I was in the CMA community I use to hear the same spew from wing chun guys…northern shaolin guys…choy lay fat guys…did it prevent me from training with those guys??? No…so whass stopping you??? You act like BJJ is the DARK SIDE of the FORCE. LOL. This is the same type of SHIET thinking that prevents people from learning anything. I don’t want to learn from this guy cause I HEARD he’s an a$$…I don’t want to eat Vietnamese food cause I HEARD they eat dogs and cats…I don’t hang with black peeps cause they’re all hood gangsters…I don’t date BLONDs cause they’re stupid…I don’t want to train BJJ cause they’re all egomanics…etc…get my point REV??? If you don’t then YES…you are STUPID.
People…HEARSAY is all that…it’s HEARSAY…who are those spouting that there style is the shiet!!! WHO??? They are those that are extremely YOUNG( ages 25 and under=RALEK ) who have something to proof! OR they are the owners of the school trying to make $$$=MARKETING=RORION and ROYCE GRACIE. If you believe in HEARSAY well where would this world be??? Full of RACISTs. Hell I’m vietnamese…first time I heard of BJJ I was into wing chun…BJJ look like to guys in a GAY EMBRACE…but I went to a class and trained and have to say it was **** effective! No egos in the class…just a place where u have normal average people working 40 hours a week different occupations( doctors, it profession, college students etc… ). And like all skools you had you’re TOP DOGs who were in it like a religion…and most of the rest were in it for fun! Sounds like any normal kung or karate skool eh??? But Rev. Tim will never know cause he believes in HEARSAY. LOL.
Tim, let me see if I can bring some sanity into a inevitable flame war about to happen. 
BJJ, is heavily influenced by competition and “winning.” I think a lot of the “machismo” factor comes from people who have mistaken notions about traditionalists who never spar or test their material in no rules matches or competitions. It’s a misconception from them just as a lot of traditionalists have misconceptions about BJJ.
This is the bottom line of the art. You work hard to win. You “fight” to test your skills. In BJJ, if you want your opponent to be still it’s up to you to stop him from moving. It’s a very demanding discipline and I think a few more “aggressive” people want admiration for that. However, it’s true that misconception goes both ways. I’m rambling.
BJJ has very logical and effective skills to deal with a ground fight and/or to take someone who is better than you at punching into a different world where you have the advantage. If he’s better than you on the ground, you have the tools to be able to escape the ground and get back to your feet.
I think if you take it you’ll enjoy it. However, if the people at this particular school are disrespectful, egotistical, you can always just leave. There’s nothing more ugly to me than arrogance. Whether it be from BJJ men, Kung fu men, Religious people, alternative lifestyle people, etc. Arrogance is ugly. Period.
I really do not like egomaniacs either, and I strive to keep my ego in check everyday. But I enjoyed BJJ when I was training at a school. You get to know people, you begin to make some friends, etc. It’s a nice atmosphere for the most part.
Just remember that if the school near you is a “dud” in the nice guy department, you can always just roll your eyes and tell them to take a hike. Nothing personal, and no harm done.
The trick is to get a good school I think. Usually the people in a BJJ school have NO business being egotystical or disrespectful since ALL of them have been choked out themselves.
A string of butt kickings usually makes you take yourself less seriously. It worked for me anyway.
Ryu