I heard the day of my fight it was huge, 15 feet+ but breaking nearly a mile out with a crazy rip. No one went out.
I paddled out Sunday, it was about 2 feet overhead with a crazy bump on it because of the west winds (I face south) but kind of fun. By Monday it was waist to chest, with the same bump but fun longboard waves.
Water’s getting chilly. Had to wear the shorty. Sun’s been MIA for days. Rain and Wind.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;703712]The mistake I made was getting away from my type of ground game (keep structure and wait for an opportunity) [/QUOTE]
I’m not as experienced on the ground as guys like MerryP, so I’m sure if I’m wrong someone will pipe up.
In my experience, that type of game plan works if you are in the dominant position. But since you were in the inferior position, you should have worked to create space and made your own opportunities. Otherwise, the guy in control will just elbow/knee you and wait for you to mess up enough to submit you.
The analogy we use is to be a “paint mixer.” You know that machine they mix paint colors with at the hardware store that shakes the bejesus out of the can? When you are on your back, you have to move move move and keep moving until you can escape. If he is constantly adjusting position to keep you down, he can’t hit you. And if you have enough space to be moving, there is a good chance you’ll escpape. At least that’s how I’ve been trained.
Yea, in hind sight, I should have pushed on his hips and worked a knee between us. But I remember him feeling realy tight against me. And my knee felt far away.
I remember thinking, I don’t think he wants to stand with me but he isn’t hurting me, so just let him keep spending energy. I should have stuck with that plan. I don’t know what got inside of me to do what I did. It was more emotion than reason, pride. I should have just waited it out. I wasn’t taking any damage.
At one point he was using his forearm to choke me. That was a problem I had to get rid of. Then I saw the arm. Thing was, I could make that mistake and recover against 85% of the guys I play with. I couldn’t against him. He deserves the credit for capitalizing right away on what I gave him.
The overall lesson I learned is patience, keeping the big picture in scope. You don’t have to win every battle, you want to win the war.
Also, no matter how sloppy some people looked in the cage, their overall level (evident by their pre-fight training) is miles above your average player. I spent some time talking to the folks at Pitt Pen. Some of them were pros. Good people. Great coach. One of their guys was supposed to fight the guy who broke my nose in Dec. He got hurt and couldn’t fight. Turns out he was already fighting pro MMA on the day I faced him in amatuer San Da. That made me feel better, and made a whole lot of sense.
But anyway, these guys had awesome ground technique.
Ray
Fighting is way differnt than practice. I tell my guys half of what the do in training including conditioning will evaporate in the ring/cage. Watched the video and all in all it was a great first effort especially without any "real " rinside help.
A good corner can make a huge differnce as when you are in there things are much faster than they seem outside
[QUOTE=Faruq;703650]The man with the balls of steel! This is the first time I’ve seen someone post their own fight. You walked the walk! ****, I’m impressed.[/QUOTE]
ST00 posted one of his fights a couple of months ago.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;703745]ST00 posted one of his fights a couple of months ago.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. MK posted ST00’s fight because St00 probably wasn’t going to post it here.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;703724]I’m not as experienced on the ground as guys like MerryP, so I’m sure if I’m wrong someone will pipe up.
In my experience, that type of game plan works if you are in the dominant position. But since you were in the inferior position, you should have worked to create space and made your own opportunities. Otherwise, the guy in control will just elbow/knee you and wait for you to mess up enough to submit you.
The analogy we use is to be a “paint mixer.” You know that machine they mix paint colors with at the hardware store that shakes the bejesus out of the can? When you are on your back, you have to move move move and keep moving until you can escape. If he is constantly adjusting position to keep you down, he can’t hit you. And if you have enough space to be moving, there is a good chance you’ll escpape. At least that’s how I’ve been trained.[/QUOTE]
yeah, that’s exactly what I was talking about.
this gives me something else to keep in mind when rolling … as a noob i need all the help i can get.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;703734]
the guy who broke my nose in Dec. He got hurt and couldn’t fight. Turns out he was already fighting pro MMA on the day I faced him in amatuer San Da.
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That isn’t true Ray. Cloud was an amateur with 0-0 record when he fought you. He then did a USKBA amateur Muay Thai card and went 1-1 in a 4 man tournament. He got his rib busted in that event in the first fight. He then turned pro and now has a pro record of 0-2.
If that’s the case, sorry. Just repeating what the guys at Pitt Pen were telling me. One of their fighters said he was already fighting pro MMA at that time. IS there a separation, where you can be a pro MMA and fight amatuer San Da?
Either way, he’s pro now, a few months later. The best fighter I’ve ever faced. That guy had it all. He moved so well.
Anyway, congrats on your fighters win. He had a strong side mount.
Bad luck Ray:(
Well done for fighting though:cool:
Did you speak to your teacher about the loss? Did he have any feedback for you?
Nice job, man.
Remember, you learn more from a loss than from a win.
I’ll see him tomorrow night and show him the video. I used to get upset with his feedback because who wants to hear what they did wrong when they had no sparring partners or cornerns, but I’m over it. I’ve settled to go to him for information, which is valuable. And then the testing is up to me.
I don’t blame him, because he’s well past retirment already. He’s had his days. But what bothers me is he protects his disciples saying I shouldn’t try to fight with them because they’re too dangerous.
They’ve done no real fighting, and I feel the danger lies in a non-disciple with less years invested besting one of them. But I’m learning what I can and can not do, and their training is their training.
I’m actually considering moving to Puerto Rico for a while. And if that doesn’t go through getting a van and driving cross country surfing and fishing. Just some time away.
Why do you want to move to PR for kung fu? Does PR have a lot of benefits for kung fu practitioners?
[QUOTE=IronFist;703954]
Remember, you learn more from a loss than from a win.[/QUOTE]
I can say from experience, that my technique usually jumps dramatically 5 to 6 months after a loss.
The last three years I’ve fought in the fall, lost, got humbled, trained all winter and then by summer got antsy again feeling confident.
My goal for this winter is to become more explosive. Any ideas on how to achieve this?
powerlifting, plyos, sprints
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;703958]But what bothers me is he protects his disciples saying I shouldn’t try to fight with them because they’re too dangerous. [/QUOTE]
Your loyalty is to be commended. However, IMO, he doesn’t deserve it.
[QUOTE=Faruq;703961]Why do you want to move to PR for kung fu? Does PR have a lot of benefits for kung fu practitioners?[/QUOTE]
There’s a good chance I can work and file stories from home. If that’s the case, home can be anywhere.
Puerto Rico has really good waves and is much cheaper than NY. I can save money and surf all winter. I can maintain what I have, and the coast guard base, complete with a crew that trains BJJ, is right up the hill.
Instead of taking surf trips, I’ll visit my master for a week or two around Thanksgiving, Christmas/New Years and things like that.
Just considering it. Feeling like a change is needed.
I gotta agree with knife on this one, man. If I want to fight, I wouldn’t stay with a coach or teacher who didn’t support my fighting or help me to train for the fight. staying with him means you basically need two schools - him to learn kung fu, and another school for fight prep.
Yeah it just doesn’t seem like you’re getting a fighting education, Ray, if that’s what you’re trying to do.
I mean, 3 fights, 3 losses. That should tell you something. That the other guys are better trained.
Why don’t you find a good fight coach? Why not train with Coach Ross for example?