btw,
That greencloud clip was horrible, but oddly you tend to see the same laarping nowadays in some FMA systems.
Either way, most people that bring up the term knife fighting are laarping, unless you have direct experiance, its all going to be chaos theory.
That is why tactical applications like STAB and Red Zone are so good. It gives you a nice lab to work with.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;818215]Do a little research on people who have actually done disarms against real life attacks and you will find that most of the time it was done with this method.
If you think about it it makes complete sense. During a knife attack you are almost always going to get cut anyway, often in the hands and arms anyway as part of trying to fend of the blade (studies have shown that most knife killings involve multiple stab wounds to the hands and arms that happen during natural defensive movements). If you are going to get cut, why not be proactive and have it happen in a place (your hands) that is going to do relatively little damage compared to other parts of your body, while giving you the ablity to control the blade and keep from taking damage to more vital areas, such as your neck, eyes and torso. [/QUOTE]
I had a special forces dude tell me to take it in the palm and make a fist, than kill with the other hand using own blade, side arm or whatever. Apparently, the tendons in your hand make a good trap for the blade. I mean, life and death, right?
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;818215]Not to mention the fact that it is also possible to gain control the blade by grabbing it without getting cut at all.[/QUOTE]
Seen that tried in a controlled situation - grab the blade so tightly that it can’t be moved, thus can’t cut. Didn’t work, many stitches…I reckon its a G.I. legend, kinda like the crates of lost WWII Harley Davidsons, packed in grease, buried in… (wherever the storyteller was stationed in Europe.)
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Seen that tried in a controlled situation - grab the blade so tightly that it can’t be moved, thus can’t cut. Didn’t work, many stitches..)[/QUOTE]
LOL.
One slight problem, sounds like whoever showed you that forgot the most important part… having control of the wrist with the other hand. Grabbing the blade without controlling the wrist with your other hand will get the sh!t cut out of your hand that is holding the blade.
You can easily test this out in a controlled situation of your own. Have somebody you trust hold a knife. Tell him not to move while you grab his wrist with one hand and the blade with your other hand. Once you have good grips, have him start to pull his hand back and forth slowly, gradually giving you more and more movement. You will see that you won’t get cut.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;818996]LOL.
One slight problem, sounds like whoever showed you that forgot the most important part… having control of the wrist with the other hand. Grabbing the blade without controlling the wrist with your other hand will get the sh!t cut out of your hand that is holding the blade.
You can easily test this out in a controlled situation of your own. Have somebody you trust hold a knife. Tell him not to move while you grab his wrist with one hand and the blade with your other hand. Once you have good grips, have him start to pull his hand back and forth slowly, gradually giving you more and more movement. You will see that you won’t get cut.[/QUOTE]
You know, that makes sense.
In the incident to which I refer, the local bad-a$$ was sprouting off and out came his buck hunter (the knife that made Charles Manson famous), and full of macho bravado, he volunteered to demonstrate. Wrapped his hand around the blade, got a good grip and gave it to the nay-sayer and said, “Here, try to pull it out.” and offered the handle. The guy pulled it out pretty easy, and the blood began to drip out of his fist pretty quickly. At which point the guy says, “I got to go.”
And go he did, off to the Emergency room…:D:D:D
And yes, he was a total loser, but a giant MF, and yes, he deserved it and than some… He handed out a few un-due beatings back in the day, and it was sweet karma.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;818282]I’ve been working with one of the guys who worked with Jerry on developing the Red Zone on solving the problems encountered from the overwraps to the disarms.
Have you done any live training yet? If so, what things are working for you and which things are you having more trouble with?[/QUOTE]
Checked out Red Zone over the holiday. Some very good information and I like where Jerry is going with the techniques and training but he should have held off on the videos until he did more testing and getting things together. Good effort but IMO it just needs more work with a good editor before it’s ready for prime time. I did like the pressure they used and the section on the problem with “equalizers”.
Some minor crap, I think he made a mistake referring to objects in the environment as “obstacles” and his crew really didn’t use them to their advantage. And he didn’t really convey that a guy coming at you with a knife really, really, really wants to do you harm, but that’s normal for almost any video on the subject and just a pet peeve of mine.
Trying some of it out this weekend I found going in with a block/parry/cover & a good strike worked better for me than just trying to grab the arm cold. I couldn’t make the RZ stuff work without that initial disruption. i Thinking about it this may have had more to do with the kind of attack being used than a problem with the RZ technique[/i]
Also one of the guys I worked out with had trouble moving from the baseball bat grip once he got it locked on but that may be more a training issue for him than a problem with the technique.