i’m sure theres been zillions of discussions of **** like this but i thought i’d put it up as a reminder… this went down a mile or two from where i live… nice university town, quiet, low crime rate. also a stabbing outside my local pub few months ago, a few others around the city over the last few months as well…
here’s what the news said went down :
Mr McKnight said he was attacked by three or four men and that Mr Mitchell was in possession of a knife," said DCI Gordon.
The two men fought, with Mr McKnight managing to disarm Mr Mitchell before they both ended up on the ground grappling.
Mr McKnight had by this point sustained severe knife wounds to his hands.
DCI Gordon said: “They were rolling around on the floor - Mr McKnight said he was being strangled. He flailed around and picked up the knife and it is here I believe that Mr Mitchell was stabbed five times.”
Mr McKnight ran off and despite his injuries Mr Mitchell started to give chase, only to collapse. He died where he fell.
Mr Mitchell, of Kingsmore Road, Harlow, was pronounced dead in the early hours of June 5 this year. A post-mortem examination revealed he died from a stab wound to the heart. He had also been stabbed three times in the chest and once in the back.
Man, British media is so polite. They called everyone “Mister.” Stateside, it seems like the media is always about to prefix every name with “Unbelievableratb@stard”.
Yeah I Remember A Story Back In The Day When This Woman Was Stabbed A Bunch Of Times, And Ran Over Two Or Three Times And Left For Dead But She Survived All That.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;818206]Some of the most effective methods of disarms involve grabbing the blade of the knife.
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Are you F’n insane? Grab the BLADE?? My God!! MMA has just hit a new delusional low!![/QUOTE]
Do a little research on people who have actually done disarms against real life attacks and you will find that most of the time it was done with this method.
If you think about it it makes complete sense. During a knife attack you are almost always going to get cut anyway, often in the hands and arms anyway as part of trying to fend of the blade (studies have shown that most knife killings involve multiple stab wounds to the hands and arms that happen during natural defensive movements). If you are going to get cut, why not be proactive and have it happen in a place (your hands) that is going to do relatively little damage compared to other parts of your body, while giving you the ablity to control the blade and keep from taking damage to more vital areas, such as your neck, eyes and torso.
Not to mention the fact that it is also possible to gain control the blade by grabbing it without getting cut at all.
[I]Do a little research on people who have actually done disarms against real life attacks and you will find that most of the time it was done with this method.
If you think about it it makes complete sense. During a knife attack you are almost always going to get cut anyway, often in the hands and arms anyway as part of trying to fend of the blade (studies have shown that most knife kilings involve multiple stab wounds to the hands and arms that happen during natural defensive movements). If you are going to get cut, why not be proactive and have it happen in a place (your hands) that is going to do relatively little damage compared to other parts of your body, while giving you the ablity to control the blade and keep from taking damage to more vital areas, such as your neck, eyes and torso.
Not to mention the fact that it is also possible to gain control the blade by grabbing it without getting cut at all.[/I]
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That is without question the STUPIDEST thing I have ever heard from you.
yeah i was told once that one tactic with a knife was to grab the blade, part of it was that the knifer wouldnt expect it, i guess then the trick is to apply pressure to the blade to minimize getting cut and get two on one…
at the time, i was unsure as it seems a little crazy, but i could also imagine it working. problem as always is thinking or imagining doesnt mean much, not the same as real expericences, or even info from real happenings, hence the post…
I think Dale is on to something here, at least when he says the chances of getting cut in a unarmed knife defence are very high. I agree, that I rather get cut in the hand than in the arm or body area, as I have a better chance of recovery from a hand cut, and can if lucky enough grab the weapon.
I’d rather not grab the knife…not do some funky move, but do something practical simple, and hopefully live.
Just out of curiousity…kung fu guys can’t grab arms in their techniques because a real fight is too fast paced and adrenaline fueled, yet you can grab a knife blade??? That is just ridiculous. And I’m no expert, but I imagine that as you grab the blade they will pull, twist, and grind the blade into you…at some point I would imagine the damage would cut tendons or something and your hand wouldn’t operate very well.
Dale is bang on that you have a very high chance of getting cut. Depending on the situation it could be more or less. If you have an attacker coming at you with sewing machine stabs with a raging fury…a guy holding it threateningly to mug you…or taking a swing out of nowhere with a razor blade. Each will produce different responses and different degrees of damage.
Personally, I think wrist control is easier to get and less damaging with probably better control*.
*I have never been in a real knife fight…this is all based on knife sparring and situtational drills with varying degrees of attack.
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Personally, I think wrist control is easier to get and less damaging with probably better control*..[/QUOTE]
Yep… that’s part of it. Once you have two on one wrist control you can switch one hand to the blade. Much better than giving the opponent the option of switching the blade to his other hand while you are worried about controlling his wrist.
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Just out of curiousity…kung fu guys can’t grab arms in their techniques because a real fight is too fast paced and adrenaline fueled, yet you can grab a knife blade??? [/QUOTE]
Actually, the more common thing to get is an overwrap. From there you can switch to a kimura or two-on-one and then switch to blade control.
The conondrum is that getting wrist control, which is the set up for the disarm, is very hard to do from an attack, while getting the overwrap isn’t that hard. However, switching from the overwrap, which is a very good neutralizing position, to the more effective disarm positions of the two-on-one or Kimura is problematic.
in looking for some newer and fresher approaches to this topic, I bought a DVD package called “RED ZONE”… anyone interested in this subject the price of the DVD is WELL WORTH IT
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;818279]in looking for some newer and fresher approaches to this topic, I bought a DVD package called “RED ZONE”… anyone interested in this subject the price of the DVD is WELL WORTH IT
(thanks to knifefighter who recommended it)[/QUOTE]
I’ve been working with one of the guys who worked with Jerry on developing the Red Zone on solving the problems encountered from the overwraps to the disarms.
Have you done any live training yet? If so, what things are working for you and which things are you having more trouble with?
Each will produce different responses and different degrees of damage.