whats the difference between that and full contact than? how is kyoukishin karate full contact but that not?
Just for some clarification:
To my knowledge, one of if not the first time Continuous Sparring was done was way back in 1986 or 1987. It was BEFORE Sanshou came out and was an attempt to do something that was more real but not as big of an insurance nightmare as Full Contact. It was tried first in the Chinese Martial Arts only events pioneered by Jeff Bolt. At that time, No one had seen something that was NOT the old 3 point type of fighting that was so common at Karate events.
As things developed, it was seen as a bridge to get to Sanshou…and then Sanshou pretty much became a beginning and end in itself. On the way to that, somehow the KArate events sort of adopted the idea as well…but kept some of their point fighting ideas…like not allowing strikes to the back and such.
The most recent incarnation of the rules on the Chinese Arts side come from the US Wushu Union. Most Chinese events use some or all of these rules or slight variations thereof. The Sanshou rules are pretty standard as well.
The Continuous Sparring rules are typically as follows :
- Protocol
a. Starting the Match - (1) Each fight will begin with the fighters facing each other approximately 15 feet apart.
- (2) The fighting will be continuous with no stopping except for clashing, illegal activity, injury or any other reason deemed fit by the judging panel.
b. During the Match - (1) A Break will be called by the Referee should any of the following events occur:
- (a) Head contact that might result in an injury or a call for Warning/Disqualification.
- (b) A competitor aims for or hits an illegal target.
- (c) A competitor successfully applies a series of repeated unanswered techniques to the opponent.
- (d) One or both competitors goes to the floor.
- (e) When any Judge signals that they have seen a competitor commit a violation.
- (f) When the Referee needs to stop action to prevent injury.
- (g) When either or both fighters go out of bounds
- (2) The Referee will restart the match after a stop in the action in the same way it originally began.
- Rules
a. Level of Contact - Technical Fighting shall be light contact and shall emphasize the control of technique and finesse and not the use of excessive force. (2) Light Contact is defined as contact that causes no bruising or injury to the opponent and does not move the opponent from a stable stance. Contact to the head should not cause the head to whip. (3) Excessive Force is defined as anything that is not light contact. For example: (a) A head strike that results in bleeding, whipping of the head and/or neck, bruising or swelling of the face. (b) Unreasonable force to the body, for example, a kick that moves an opponent from a stable or rooted stance.
b. Legal Contact Areas - (1) Torso - front, sides, and rear kidney-area
- (2) Outside of thighs
- (3) Outside of shins
- (4) Entire arm
- (5) Front and side of head gear
c. Legal Non-Contact Target Areas: Please note that these areas are legal for non-contact techniques only. Any contact to these areas will result in a Warning or Disqualification. - (1) Front of face
- (2) Horizontal strikes across the top of the head gear
d. Legal Techniques - (1) Punches
- (2) Kicks
- (3) Open hand strikes to body targets only
- (4) Sweeps to the outside of the opponent’s front leg
e. Illegal Target Areas - (1) Neck
- (2) Spine
- (3) Groin
- (4) Front, inside or back of legs
- (5) Knee joint
- (6) Ankle joint
f. Illegal Techniques - (1) Knee strikes
- (2) Elbow strikes
- (3) Finger strikes
- (4) Take-downs or throws
- (5) Joint locking or breaking attempts
- (6) Head butts
- (7) Biting
- (8) Floor or ground fighting
- (9) Open hand strikes to the head
- (10) Sweeps to an opponent’s back leg or sweeps that attempt both legs of an opponent
- (11) Sweeps to inside of the leg
- (12) Dangerous blind attempts at spinning hand or foot strikes
g. Warnings shall be issued by the Referee for any of the following violations: - (1) Execution of any Illegal technique
- (2) Contact to any illegal or non-contact target area
- (3) Excessive force (without malice or intent)
- (4) Failure to break on the call
- (5) Running out of the ring
- (6) Exposing an illegal target area
- (7) Execution of blind techniques
- (8) Any coaching from the sideline
h. Cautions—A caution shall be issued by any judge or by the Referee for the following violations: - (1) Equipment or clothing violations—Equipment not legal or in poor condition, wearing jewelry, spitting out mouth piece, etc. (Note: a competitor who comes to his/her match with improper equipment or clothing will be issued a caution immediately and have one minute to retrieve appropriate equipment/clothing.)
- (2) Any other action not covered by the rules in which safety is an issue.
- (3) Two cautions shall equal one warning.
i. Disqualification - (1) A competitor shall be disqualified immediately upon accumulation of three Warnings.
- (2) Execution of a technique that causes the opponent to bleed will also result in Disqualification. Note: bleeding from a self-inflicted wound is not cause for the opponent’s disqualification.
- (3) Competitors who are disqualified in a match shall be considered to have lost that match and shall be entitled to whatever award, seeding, etc. the match loser is entitled.
j. Expulsion - (1) Expulsion will result from deliberate or serious violations of the rules, such as:
- (a) Deliberate excessive force/intent to injure
- (b) Deliberate targeting of an illegal area, for example: deliberate targeting of face, top of head, back of head, spine, etc.
- (c) Deliberate violation of any rule
- (d) Rude or belligerent behavior
- (e) Use of objectionable or abusive language by a contestant or by his/her coach, schoolmates, etc.
- (f) Commission of any infraction that would incur a warning that also results in serious injury to the opponent.
- (2) A competitor can be expelled without having previously received any warnings.
- (3) Competitors who are expelled will not be awarded any placing, seeding or ranking, nor will they be allowed to continue in the fighting. However, all results to the point of expulsion will remain unchanged
- Judging Guidelines: Each competitor shall be scored based on demonstration of fighting skills in the following five categories:
a. Attack Skills - (1) Accurately aims techniques at target areas without simply “flailing” arms to hit something
- (2) Begins an attack sequence and changes smoothly/naturally to defense if opponent counters attack
- (3) Creates openings using combinations of attacks, rather than trying to overcome opponent with a single, forceful technique.
- (4) Controls speed and power in attacks; does not punch/kick as hard as possible
b. Defense Skills - (1) Blocks incoming attacks effectively
- (2) In addition to blocking, uses footwork and body motion to defend against and evade opponent’s attacks
- (3) Converts blocking/evasion naturally into counter-attacks with techniques aimed at target areas
- (4) Blocks/counters without endangering self
c. Body Motion - (1) Shows naturalness, fluidity, and connectedness in movements
- (2) Utilizes movement of the entire body (waist and spine) instead of isolated arm/leg strength
- (3) Shows efficient motion and directed energy; does not appear rushed or overworked; does not “bounce” and “jab” wasting effort
- (4) Advances and retreats using stable stance and good footwork without losing balance
d. Reaction Skills - (1) Reacts to opponent; moves naturally in response to an attack or counter
- (2) Shows adaptability in application of attack and defense techniques
- (3) Turns a defensive situation into an attack and vice-versa.
- (4) Demonstrates ability to capitalize on opponent’s weaknesses or mistakes.
e. Overall Impression - (1) Uses a variety of footwork, hand/leg techniques, attack combinations, defensive maneuvers and counter-strikes
- (2) Controls the match through either a variety of successful attacks, or the ability to defend and successfully counter the majority of the opponent’s attacks
- (3) Utilizes the ring area effectively and stays in ring
- (4) Does not lose composure; shows concentration and calm demeanor
- (5) Displays obvious elements of a Chinese martial arts style
Which is a lot more open and alive than what the MTV show allows… No strikes to the back…what is THAT all about.
so basically its liek full contact but with more rules and restrictions? Isnt mma like teh street but with more rules/restrictions? or at least thats what the jkd/mma faboys claim when they want to claim how tough they are.
No strikes to the back…what is THAT all about.
do boxers allow strikes to the back or the back of the head/neck area? do muay thai allow shin kicks to the lower back? does muay thai allow judo throws? does muay thai allow slams? why not? heck muay thai allows almost no samdup grappling.
Girl Fight
Girl Fight on Oxygen this show is for real highly recommend watching this one.http://www.oxygen.com/
If this show was on ESPN, I would be disappointed. But it’s on MTV2, targeting young teenagers to maybe someone in their early 20’s. It’s just another reality tv show, with a slight martial flair. Kids who have never had any martial arts experience will enjoy it, and may even sign up at their local school.
It’s entertainment, and although the sparring matches kill me, it’s better than road rules or some other reality tv show.
Hello Gene,
What no article or even a review of the show Girl Fight man that show was a trillion times better than Final Fu 
It seems Master Toddy from Vegas now once a well respected Muy Tai fighter trained female fighters here in the U.S. then took them back to Thailand to fight some female tai fighters and won so now he is on the outs in Thailand. So the show has him now selecting among 7 candidates 3 more women to take back to Thailand to fight again. It was a good show won’t spoil the outcome for you though gotta watch it yourself.
Girl Fight didn’t contact us
I’m still open to doing something with them, but for any show like this, anything concerning media publicity, they usually contact us. Haven’t heard a peep from Girl Fight. Too bad really, because it does seem a lot more interesting.
And you should see the list of stuff we turn down. Yikes!!!:eek:
MTV - Final Fu
I may be slow off the mark here but has anyone seen this tv show on MTV ?
I saw it for the first time on the weekend and could not beleive how bad it was :eek:
Things take a while to filter through to Australia…
Yes, there’s been a pretty long discussion about it. I’d say pretty much everyone agrees with you. However, it is adictive. It’s pretty entertaining.
The best part for me was when that dude Matt got punched in the throat. Pretty funny.
I just could not get past the terrible kicks, I saw one person only kick with their right leg for the entire length of a fight 
The show said some of the participants were 3rd degree taekwondont guys - man what a worry!
I loved the Hung Gar guy who got kicked out for excessive force:D
Who is the host though?
thats ernie reyes jr. former ninja turtle and star of great films such as surf ninjas. he is a tkd guy. but as i have said in the other threads about the show he is the most entertaining part of the show. watch him during the fights. hes like a little philipino leprachaun.
[QUOTE=Blacktiger;703211]I just could not get past the terrible kicks, I saw one person only kick with their right leg for the entire length of a fight [/QUOTE]
Two words - Bill Wallace
[QUOTE=Yao Sing;703222]Two words - Bill Wallace[/QUOTE]
the only reason Wallace kicks with one leg is that he blew out his knee and can’t bear weight on that side…
[QUOTE=cjurakpt;703225]the only reason Wallace kicks with one leg is that he blew out his knee and can’t bear weight on that side…[/QUOTE]
And the fighter on Final Fu?
For all we know that person has a disability in one leg too.
so what’s your point? you brought up Wallace seemingly in response to the Blacktiger’s negtive comment about someone who kicks with only one leg, implying that, if Wallace was doing it, it was a strategically sound approach; however, now that it gets pointed out that the only reason Wallace does it is because of a physical limitation, you try to flip it around and suggest the Final Fu guy was doing it because he was injured as well? c’mon; nice try through…
the bottom line is that if you go to a “point style” tournament, there is a large percentage of competitors who do the exact same thing: use that lead leg “flickey” kicking style, because it’s what’s the most effective thing to do in that type of competition, which is pretty much what they did in FF (except no head contact at all, which was totally lame, because even in point style, in the BB divisions there’s contact allowed to the head)
???
You sound like you’re itching for an argument.
I’m well aware of Wallace’s bad leg. I brought it up because you can’t fault someone for lack of skill (yes the comment was a response to Blacktiger’s negative comment) without knowing the reasons. One leg worked just fine for Wallace so why is it such a bad thing.
I’ve seen a guy with one arm do some bad a$$ kung fu. Does having only one arm mean he can’t be any good? Get real.
So that’s my point. I’m not flipping anything around. You seem to be trying to make a problem where there is none.
Using two legs doesn’t necessarily make you any better. Wallace beat guys that used two legs.
the fact is, Wallace has an injury and he trained specifically to overcome it; so, true, he is an excelent example of how a “limitation” does not necessarilly decrease one’s ability to fight well; he is, no argument, a great fighter and certainly dispatched many “two legged” opponents; similarly, your one-armed friend is apparantly another example of someone who overcame a deficit and fights sucessfully; but the point was never about how someone with a disability can’t be better than someone without one…
let just say that I suspect Mister FF does not have any such an injury - I think he does it on purpose because in the type of point-style fighting he seems to do, that’s an effective strategy; that’s why I don’t think using Wallace as an example to justify his one-leged style is appropriate; and as far as skill, Wallace fought full-contact and won; this guy was competing in one of the most pansied types of “fighting” I have ever seen, where guys would do ridiculous things and still win, things which if they did in a street fight or MMA comp or San Da ring would get them killed
BTW, I’m sorry if you feel that disagreeing with you means I’m “itching” for an argument and that I’m trying to create a problem; I just see Wallace as operating in a very different context, hence my disagreement with using him as a comparative example; it also seemed to me you switched gears mid-argument when an extra piece of info was presented; if I was wrong, then I’m wrong, no biggie
Every guy who landed a solid hit got kicked off. I watched the one where the guy got punched in the throat with a training buddy, and we were both laughing hysterically by the end of the show.
“He really should learn how to control himself. Martial Arts isn’t about killing your opponent. He should have more skill then that.” -Paraphased.
That one really got us going. What about having enough skill not to leave your neck wide the heck open and just shoving hands at your opponent to see who can tag each other more? The sparring I did as a 5th grade yellow belt stripe in Shotokan was more skillfull and brutal then this.
And don’t even get me started on the commentary from the guys before and after. Oi.
I was crying and laughing all at the same time 
Did anyone see the guy who broke into Drunken then Monkey style ?
Next Season on the Final Fu
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