More preconceived notions in MA

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The fundamental issue isn’t why do they do that if they know it is no good, but ‘do they even know it is no good.’

There is no problem with Tae Bo - as long as you know it’s aroebics. Nothing wrong with ‘sport kahroddy’.

The thing that sucks are the people who think they are doing CMA, or even any good MA, and can’t fight.

What’s even worse, are people who go off posing as experts, when deep down, they know they have no skill. How craven do you have to be to do this? Yet I see more and more of THEM everyday…

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well, in this particular case, the question is why they do what they do. the woman knew she couldn’t fight. she virtually said as much to sevenstar.

actually, the original question has nothing to do with either of those issues. it was about preconceptions of various arts. BJJ and judo, in sevenstar’s case.

stuart b.

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Originally posted by MonkeySlap Too
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What’s even worse, are people who go off posing as experts, when deep down, they know they have no skill. How craven do you have to be to do this? Yet I see more and more of THEM everyday… [/B]

:eek: :o :wink: :smiley:

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Originally posted by apoweyn
[B]i imagine she’s still there, despite recognizing that she’s not learning how to fight, because she’s not particularly interested in fighting.

the prevailing view on this forum seems to be that martial arts are for combat, first and foremost. and i’ve got no complaints with that view. but it’s far from universal. plenty of us are hobbyists, who do what we do simply because we find it rewarding. for some of us, that’s not going to equate to fighting. or it’s going to equate to a particular (and potentially limited) form of fighting.

i know plenty of people who like taekwondo simply because they find it more fun to kick. boxing and wrestling might be necessary components of a full game plan. (sorry. hand skills and grappling skills. not necessarily boxing or wrestling.) but certain people just aren’t entertained by those things. and, really, in this day and age, if you’re not enjoying your martial arts, i think you’re wasting your time.

as for this woman remarking that sevenstar can really fight (and the preconceptions that reveals), i know how you feel. when i started eskrima, southeast asian martial arts were ‘enjoying’ the attention that MMA does now. if you knew eskrima, silat, bando, muay thai, etc. you were automatically assumed to be a killer. on the surface of it, that’s not really a big deal. you just shrug your shoulders and move on.

but i kinda felt like it was a very… hollow compliment, i suppose. when people said that, it wasn’t a reflection of me or my practice. they’d never seen me practice. they’re just reacting to the public image. and that was inherently unsatisfactory to me, as someone who was actually sweating bullets several times a week in the art. appreciation based solely on reputation was actually just as irritating as the art or my practice of it getting no appreciation at all.

i think, if you’re anything like me, you want to be judged for what you actually do and don’t do, by people who actually recognize and understand what you do. anything less feels unsatisfactory. not offensive. but not really pertinent either.

[shrug] i don’t know.

stuart b. [/B]

That pretty much sums up my thoughts on it.

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Originally posted by Suntzu
the real question is……… was she hott?!?!?

No.:frowning: She had some cuteness to her, but I wouldn’t classify her as hot

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Originally posted by SevenStar
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That pretty much sums up my thoughts on it. [/B]

i hear ya, pal.

people’s perceptions of martial arts are silly. even within the arts. nevermind outside observers.

i used to teach at a gym near where i work. i was running a class once and the usual parade of martial artists started streaming in. had to make it obvious to me that they knew their stuff as well. so one guy comes up to me and asks, “what do you teach?”

i say, “i’m a mutt. right now, i’m teaching them some basic kickboxing stuff. we’ll be adding some empty hand eskrima… blah, blah, blah.”

without missing a beat, he looks at me very seriously and says, “ah. using no way as way.”

i walked away at that point.

silly.

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People just shouldent worry about how other people train.

Im only worried about myself, my classmates, and any students I might have one day.

I find it beneficial to myself to have a ****load of random people out there thinking they can fight or that they are Martial Artists, makes it easier for me.

:eek:

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I dunno…I worry about how people train to an extent. I want to know how people I may be competing against are training, especially the ones I know are better than me.

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Sarcastic witless..

Maybe she was being facetious. That doesn’t mean that her statement wasn’t correct though, hahaha!

Some TKD folks can fight and some can’t. TKD gives you an avenue. How broad or narrow it is depends on a lot of variables, just like most things in life. A lot of MMAs guys can fight, but on the street uncertainty reigns. There are quite a few regular folk and nonMMAs martial artists who can kick a lot of MMAs guys arses, and vice-versa. Willpower, awareness and craftiness are the best street techs.

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I trained TKD for a time, and while my school wasn’t ATA, I did stand in as a judge once at a local ATA style tournament. I remember some of the rules…

Hand techniques to the head are illegal. No attacks at all below the waist, no attacking from any position other than standing, no attacking an opponent who is not standing. And close counts. In tournament, contact for points can be barely grazing and still score. :rolleyes:

She may well be satisfied with the level of excercise and cameraderie provided by her school. It doesn’t surprise me at all that she recognizes that what she does there won’t make her a fighter. In fact, it’s kind of good that she’s not misguided.

I don’t think she was intending to make you uncomfortable, but she came across as weirdly self-deprecating because she just knows she’s in an aerobics class with uniforms. She’s maybe been informed of that from other, less tactful MAs and was attempting to beat you to the punch, assuming you would knock her for being a hobbyist and not a warrior.

-C

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Re: Sarcastic witless..

Originally posted by 'MegaPoint
Maybe she was being facetious. That doesn’t mean that her statement wasn’t correct though, hahaha!

:smiley: She probably meant it that way. The next time she’s practicing her “Statue of Liberty Axe kick”, she’ll remember making that comment and the truth will hit her :smiley:

Some TKD folks can fight and some can’t. TKD gives you an avenue. How broad or narrow it is depends on a lot of variables, just like most things in life. A lot of MMAs guys can fight, but on the street uncertainty reigns. There are quite a few regular folk and nonMMAs martial artists who can kick a lot of MMAs guys arses, and vice-versa. Willpower, awareness and craftiness are the best street techs.

Yeah, definitely. I’ve had the wind knocked out of me by a few TKD guys. When timed right, those kicks can be vicious

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Monkey Slap Said The thing that sucks are the people who think they are doing CMA, or even any good MA, and can’t fight.

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True, I went through this when I started Kung Fu, just out of Chung moo quan. I found I was a better fighter as an untrained brawler BEFORE I did that stuff . (Speaking of Brawlers, anyone watch Tank get spanked last night?)

What’s even worse, are people who go off posing as experts, when deep down, they know they have no skill. How craven do you have to be to do this? Yet I see more and more of THEM everyday…

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It’s the $$

I had a brush with that myself. In my case, I had quite a bit of confidance in my knowledge and understanding. I had the oppertunity to open a club for almost no startup costs, or risk. It was to be just a “show up and teach” for a commision deal. I even created this Mckwoon like curriculem to ensure i’d have lots of students and be able to support myself on it. THEN, I started hanging around with one of Choi’s guys, and Monkey slap’s guys, and I pretty much realised I don’t know squat. Mind you, my self confidence was at an all time low because of my health/back injury in aditin to this, but stilll I thought I could do it right despte intentionally running a Mckwoon. The idea was to use the reasources to run a regular traditional club behind the scenes.

In the end, the deal fell through due to some really bad politics going around in the gym I was going to put it in (the head gymnastics coach even quit over it). To be honest, I am actually relived about that. It changes my plans, and will make finding training partners harder to find for the Tai Tzu, but still alot of pressure is off that I didn’t even realise was there.

I plan to spend the next few years getting my strength back, and then I want to fight in the Kuo Shuo. When I can do well in that, then I will look to open a school again.

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Any one else ever notice that internet forums are basically real time soap operas?

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Isn’t that the point of them? :stuck_out_tongue: He he he he he.

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choi’s guy…Drake?

Yeah, we can be rather soap opera like. Now all we need is some hot forum chicks for us to have affairs with… :smiley:

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Yup on Drake. He won’t teach me Choi’s system, but he was coaching me on my mechanics quite a bit. The man totaly changed the way I look at Martial arts.

Myong really helped me with my structure. Too bad my Back was so messed up when he was here. I feel I wasn’t able to give him my all because of that.

When I’m ready, I’m planning on making some sort of arrangement with Choi. He’s like an hour away from me, but I figure if I can get in by him twice a month, and gather someone to work with closer to home, I’ll do alright.

I have some stuff to work out still from a personal stand point. Getting my Kung Fu back is the top priority right now. Last year was mostly back therapy. I really didn’t do as much Kung Fu as I should. I was really weak, much more than I wanted to let on. Not being able to really train was killing me. The back therapy mostly builds muscle in the lumbar area. Every thing else kind of got neglected. Now instead of doing 2 hours of therapy, I mix 2-3 of some of the stronger exercises into my main conditioning routine, and I rotate the easier ones on a cycle. I only do a total of 10-15 minutes of therapy exercises each session now, and the rest is my Kung Fu system. Now that I’m doing my Kung Fu again, I’m feeling me strength return much more rapidly.

I’m really hoping to be ready to gear up and spar by August or September this year. I don’t want to rush it though.

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Just take it at your own pace - you’ll get there!