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The knobs over at Dragon’s list are doing just that, especially one in particular. Then they say there is something wrong with me for not believing what they say and holding the position that I hold. The whole conversation just got Childish and infantile, so I brought it over here to discuss with people who actually know what they are talking about.[/QUOTE]
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone can go over to Dragonslist and see that it is one of the most carefully moderated forums around for providing everyone a chance to say their piece in peace. The fact that RDumb here considers this site a safe haven for spinning yarns and historical role-play where he can hide and never be questioned should give all serious MAs here pause.
[I]Ok, royal******* is completely misrepresenting the brief exchange he had over on Dragonslist before running over here to cry about it. It was not really about actual military training, technique, or weapons at all in the way that most would expect upon hearing the topic. What happened was that he started to go down the “my art is cool because the super duper secret body gaurds of emperor Flintstone II used it about, about a million years ago, and, and, they had the nine foot dragon’s tongue halberd that could cut down 100 men in a single blow, and…”
That sort of thing, and someone simply called him on it and he got all misty and had to run and tell y’all about it.[/I]
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Um No, that is not at all what happened. I was making the same points there as I am here. I never once said anything about military arts being greater than other arts. I said what those guys considered fluff was just techniques they did not understand and were never taught the actual use for. A lot of said techniques were probably WEAPONS techniques, and are just being done empty handed in the form.
All you Dragonslist people started attacking me for not having the same uneducated view as you do, which I found laughable because you are all wrong, so I came over here where I could discuss this with educated and experience individuals who aren’t trained by watching Narito.
Then you came over here and attacked me and accused me of just looking for affirmation becasue I was “Losing” the argument over there…which is another Bullshit premis you made up out of thin air on your own.
So, Like I said before Go Fuck Yourself…and that goes for all those infantile idiots over at DL as well.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Anyone can go over to Dragonslist and see that it is one of the most carefully moderated forums around for providing everyone a chance to say their piece in peace. The fact that RDumb here considers this site a safe haven for spinning yarns and historical role-play where he can hide and never be questioned should give all serious MAs here pause.
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Nope, sorry, the people here on KFM are far more educated and experienced and would take me to task faster…and with real substantial arguments at that.
So again, Go Fuck Yourself and stop interrupting us and the discussion with your tantrum.
I saw the whole tihng. You were just too weak to actually defend your position so you ran away over here were you could wallow in numbing affirmation rather than stand behind an argument you were losing badly.
Like I said, anyone can go over there and see for themselves.
I believe xingyi quan is one instance of a style that WAS used in the military, even fairly recently in the 20th century. There’s xingyi quan military training manuals and even xingyi bayonet techniques.
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Nope, sorry, the people here on KFM are far more educated and experienced .[/QUOTE]
Than you? No question. More importantly, you feel safe hiding here because you’ve been here so long and can hide behind folks who will put up with whatever you say.
In any case, its completely obvious for anyone who bothers to read it that you were hopelessly losing an argument there so you came here to try again.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;793479]COLOR=“Red”]alot like that move in shaolin u know the one in every issue of kfm where its a monk standing on one leg the other held up still bent the left arm resting on it also bent and in a fist and the other hand held above as if holding a trident or something[/COLOR][/COLOR]
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I allways thought that was wrapping a guys head in your arms and pulling them into a knee strike. Like if you came at him from behind and started a head lock, but instead pulled him backwards so his spine went into your knee. The raised hand is chambered for a followup strike to the face.[/QUOTE]
The power of Christ compels you to use the “Qoute” Button.
Than you? No question. More importantly, you feel safe hiding here because you’ve been here so long and can hide behind folks who will put up with whatever you say.
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LOL!! Um people here are just as likely to tell me I am wrong as anywhere…maybe even faster becasue they all know I should know better.
In any case, its completely obvious for anyone who bothers to read it that you were hopelessly losing an argument there so you came here to try again.
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Yet you don’t post links the the discussions…hmmm, I wonder why?
Now go back and complain over there, I grow tired of your colliky presentation.
When I first started this Internet thing, Quote buttons did not exist.
I believe xingyi quan is one instance of a style that WAS used in the military, even fairly recently in the 20th century. There’s xingyi quan military training manuals and even xingyi bayonet techniques.
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Yeah, I heard that. So if it wasn’t a Military style then, it is now.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;793486]Un Stupid, I did not run, I RESTARTED the thread after it got locked..[/QUOTE]
The thread was closed in large part because of you and your attitude. You were then allowed for some reason to restart the same **** topic and proceeded to steer it into the same hole as the first one.
This goes back to what I was talking about in the multiple attackers thread. The military style may not actually be used by a military, but it does have a certain ‘flare’, a feeling. A philosophy, characteristic of what ‘could’ be used by a military. How it’s taught also probably has methodologies as those or similar to those used by people that are or have been in the military. Overall, it’s like the style is trying to make people without any armed or unarmed experience battlefield ready in as short amount a time as possible. This includes farmers and other civilians using the farming tools that have to fight invaders. Learning how to run through and use very tall grasses and mud to their advantage, for instance.
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This is the stance the Dragon’s list people have. They are making fun of me becasue I say the Military stuff would have a lot of weapons techniques, and what they are deming “Fluff” are actually weapons techniques being done without the weapon in hand so they have no obvious empty hand application.[/QUOTE]
That they deem as fluff, as well as the conclusion they draw from it, is utter idiocy and flies in the face of deductive reasoning and all that is logical. Empty hand technique is specifically that. Empty handed. Whether the empty hand beig used is using an armed application/methodology is irrelevent. A thrust to the throat with a spear or with the middle and forefinger together as one is still a thrust. Most power still comes from the hips, legs and feet working together, as they propel the instrument into the soft tissue where blood likes to congregate.
The ‘Body guard system…’ thread is not at issue, so it is worthless for this discussion. Being able to use weapons that are guns and not guns, while able to perform empty handed techniques and have the ability to exert control over a situation and not just brawl, so the client is gotten to safety is a no brainer.
Flowery fist 2 had fallacious logic, making appeals to self-authority and the authority of others. Flowery fist 1, the opening post’s author, in response to post number 3, did talk of fluff in specific martial arts subgroups, as RD said. He also spoke of how styles get what some would call fluff. Who adds what, the originator or future students? That is what the initial topic was about. In RD’s first post in the thread, #6, he explains that what he initially thought was fluff in his style, he says is bad a$$. I don’t know what his style is, so I can’t be sure which parts he’s talking about, but it isn’t uncommon for the uninitiated to view something as fluff, where someone that has taken the time to understand the art and how and why a move is used to know why it is far from fluff.
That bit about martial arts not being about reality, but comfort is totally stupid. The kung fu bunnies thing was funny. Also, RD, I think that stance of your style in your avatar can just as easily be learned after getting good with ballet. So, pfffbbbtt! j/k
Flowery fist 1 also had a bunch of fallcious logic arguments, much like the ones that cropped up in the multiple attackers thread.
In RD’s first post in the thread, #6, he explains that what he initially thought was fluff in his style, he says is bad a$$. I don’t know what his style is, so I can’t be sure which parts he’s talking about, but it isn’t uncommon for the uninitiated to view something as fluff, where someone that has taken the time to understand the art and how and why a move is used to know why it is far from fluff.
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I do Tai Tzu Chang Chuan/ Hong Chuan. It’s old Long Fist.
Thank you for actually seeing my point. Somehow they missed it and decided to lynch me when they did not comprehend instead.
I can’t tell you how many times I found a real use for what I Thought was fluff. The more I learn about my art, the more I see it’s all straight forward usable techniques, and what I originally thought was fluff were really takedowns, joint locks, or devastating finishing moves. Either that, or you see the same moves in the weapon sets, and then it all makes sense what the move is for…so again it is not just fluff. It’s just not understood.
Once you understand that you start to see even so called Empty hand sets are full of weapons techniques.
j/k