Wouldn’t that be like training in the sport of Football Field or Basketball Gym?
You’re assuming they’re trying to say “Kwoon” or “Guan”. Could be a mispronunciation of “Quan”… or a Korean word (I don’t know Korean though :P). Martial art fist… I guess, lol.
Well from the few lessons I had last year its more kickboxing with breaking and kata, no wing chun at all,not sure where you got that influence from ???
[QUOTE=B-Rad;838261]You’re assuming they’re trying to say “Kwoon” or “Guan”. Could be a mispronunciation of “Quan”… or a Korean word (I don’t know Korean though :P). Martial art fist… I guess, lol.[/QUOTE]
I’m not assuming anything.
Go to http://www.wushukwan.com
The characters to the left on the page header spell out “martial method hall”.
You can’t make this stuff up.
lol, that’s hilarious 
[QUOTE=Shaolin Shi;838728]I’m not assuming anything.
Go to http://www.wushukwan.com
The characters to the left on the page header spell out “martial method hall”.
You can’t make this stuff up.[/QUOTE]
I love the ‘posed’ breaking pic on the home page…
Hmmm, the ‘bricks’ are flying all over…and wait…where is all the debris/dust from this powerful break?? LOL
It’s obvious from the pitures they practice Tae Kwon Do. Also saying we do “chinese boxing” is like saying we eat food
HAHA LMAO!
Well guys that is pretty much exactly what I wanted to hear
…the search continues
craig
What defines a “McDojo” or “McKwoon” (whatever)?
Okay … I know I’m going to regret this but it is an interesting area of discussion so lets get to it!
What defines a “McDojo” or “McKwoon” (whatever)?
I assume the “McDojo” or “McKwoon” is like local community college, you can obtain general knowledge from it, but you can’t obtain lifetime career knowledge from it.
Wow that’s a really interesting viewpoint!!! I would have thought most would say it was selling the art, grades, watered down stuff, something “made-up” or perhaps even fraudulent but yours is an interpretation I have never heard before! Thanks for that viewpoint! Much to consider …
A Mc dojo or Mc kwoon is a complete hobby school where the quality of the school is subpar. They usually have a high turn out rate of black belt within a short amount of time. For example, producing a black belt within a 2-3 year time frame. The students show relatively low level skill due to the water down curriculum.
They concentrate on up sales to students. For example, join our black belt program and you get one extra class a week and get ranked up quicker. They use gimmicks to get students to enroll.
They focus on making money, which isn’t bad, but do so at the expense of quality.
They usually teach forms with little to no actual combat training.
They profess their style to be to deadly for competition.
I am missing a few things but for the life of me I can’t remember them. You should know when you see it!
Some more…
Making this lists are fun, but we realize that some very respectable training centers have some of them, but a McDojo have the most of them.
Mc
like a fast food chain, franchised
learn something fast
limited by menu
easy to prepare
ready to eat or use
Mostly baby sitting
on and on.
It means you get fries with your forms. More bang for your buck. https://www.google.com/search?q=French+fries&client=firefox-a&hs=rAD&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=JnwjUteTI-e1sAS83IGwBA&ved=0CDIQsAQ4Cg&biw=1440&bih=807
Greetings,
A McDojo or McKwoon is a place where the “master” can walk into the middle of his school demonstration, drop is pants, squat and take a mean, unglorified, noisy, sh!t and the students and audience will tear up, stand, howl, and clap while swearing that what they saw was absolutely amazing and that they were so blessed and so honored to be a part of it.
mickey
McDojo or McKwoon is a place where the “master” can walk into the middle of his school demonstration, drop is pants, squat and take a mean, unglorified, noisy, sh!t and the students and audience will tear up, stand, howl, and clap while swearing that what they saw was absolutely amazing and that they were so blessed and so honored to be a part of it.
pretty much
motorcycle club ?
Mc Dojo/Kwoon = "Mc/Mac (son of/relative) Dojo/kwoon (training hall)
well thats the literal translation.
Generally this has been taken over to denote a negative connotation about a professional martial arts school.
Sure there are many facets I agree with but then again alot of the so called “What makes a Traditional/Classical or Practical/Combat/Realistic Dojo/Kwoon” I don’t see either.
I always read on these forums how this teacher is this and that teacher is that but the individual writing it hasn’t even achieved what they claim.
If you want a good teacher look at the students. Do they have the attributes your looking for. Too often individuals focus too much attention on the teacher/instructor.
Some of my best boxing coaches had mediocre skills and competiton wins. But they produced some amazing talent.
So Look at the students. You also have to remember that just because a teacher is skilled doesn’t mean the students will be. The could just be stupid, lazy or all the above but most the individual is a terrible teacher.
Most of all you have those individuals who want to be taught the world but don’t have the discipline or sacrifice to train to acquire the skill plus they tend to be realllly cheap when it comes to compen$ation value for what they want.
So all those that commented what have you produced?
Some very interesting views being exprerssed here and not those I would have expected.
For the most part I’m reading that most of you view McDojo’s as being community based instructional schools of a lower standard and or commercial enterprises???
What I was expecting to see was people saying fake schools, fraudulent schools selling ranks or promoting others whilst their own credibility is in question which is something I’ve not witnessed in this discussion.
That’s interesting in itself.
A quick Google leads me to:
1/. Clubs that sell lessons/ranks.
2/. Schools whose only existence is to make profit off teaching mediocre skills.
3/. Run by people with “false” ranks!
It’s number 3 that interests me on a historical perspective. I’m going to throw something our there for hopefully interesting discussion …
If we could go far enough back in Martial Arts history within all styles we would come to someone who:
1/. Made it all up.
2/. Having made it all up taught it to others.
3/. Having made it all up and taught it to others then “awarded” a rank to those people or claimed a “rank / position of authority” for themselves.
Looking at it from such a perspective and it is a perspective that is historically and factually true … then all arts came from such a McDojo etc???
This then leads us to the supposition that he founders of the arts we may follow were to a greater or lesser extent a “Fraud” (in the modern definition) or operated a form of a “McDojo”.
Your thoughts?
Quote- This then leads us to the supposition that he founders of the arts we may follow were to a greater or lesser extent a “Fraud” (in the modern definition) or operated a form of a “McDojo”.
Fraud, fake, call it what you will, but these words imply deception, lies, shoddy goods and dishonesty.
Please justify you supposition that the founders of martial arts were such.