[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1122809]I think Chan Sau Chung - THE monkey king and current Head of the Da Sheng Pi Gua Kung Fu (Tai Sheng Pek Kwar) set us all straight about this some years ago.
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Several times I have posted the ENTIRE Zink story. One of my hing-dai is the person that got all three of Chan Sau Chung’s books for Zink and gave it to him. Before that Zink knew nothing about the Dai Sing Pek Gwa system
After Zink got the books, his history suddenly got in line with the Chan Sau Chung books, but it was worse, in Zink’s books he actually COPIED pics and diagrams from the Chan books
There is even more to this story, but that is the short of it
We know that Zink is a phony; who claim to fame came from competing at Ed Parkers Long Beach International Karate Championships which led to getting a book published by IKF and then Panthers videos, as David well know that they were a joke; they were a product of bad Shaw Brothers movies meets the open circuit hijinks. However, what is so funny is that Matsuda discredit Zink, not by name, but with his well known personal; however, the irony is that he posted an IKF cover that consisted of both of them back in the days.
But sadly, Chan Shifu isnt totally honest about the style either; very few individuals ever learn the monkey sets, and if they do- it seems to be only one set.
Question, are they actually set or simply theories/techniques pieced together in improvisation routine?
But sadly, Chan Shifu isn’t totally honest about the style either; very few individuals ever learn the monkey sets, and if they do- it seems to be only one set.
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How much kung fu has died because teachers kept it secret? I’ve heard TONS of stories about this. I suspect that at least HALF of what was of value died in the past 100 years from teachers not wanting to give away the “good stuff”
So true! Within the last 30 years so much has been lost; they are few elders left, who knew what was “real deal,” and sadly a lot them kept it themselves.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1122917] I suspect that at least HALF of what was of value died in the past 100 years from teachers not wanting to give away the “good stuff”[/QUOTE]
this is not true. there are traditional styles teaching 8 , 13, techniques total. more is not better
from shaolin 20 questions and answers, dodging and evading is a secret skill in hung ga. that explains why these days southern kung fu teaches everybody to stand still and try to bridge.secret? no. stupid cantonese? yes.
[QUOTE=Mulong;1122907]But sadly, Chan Shifu isn’t totally honest about the style either; very few individuals ever learn the monkey sets, and if they do- it seems to be only one set. [/QUOTE]
I have studied with Chan Sifu. He told me that I would have to learn all of the Pek Kwar system before I could learn any of the “REAL” monkey sets.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1122917]How much kung fu has died because teachers kept it secret? I’ve heard TONS of stories about this. I suspect that at least HALF of what was of value died in the past 100 years from teachers not wanting to give away the “good stuff”[/QUOTE]
I heard many stories but this one comes to mind: Master Marr of the Mi Tsung Lohan style took 75 forms to his grave. On his death bed he stated regretting not giving them out but he felt no one deserved at the time.
[QUOTE=ginosifu;1122932]I have studied with Chan Sifu. He told me that I would have to learn all of the Pek Kwar system before I could learn any of the “REAL” monkey sets.
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this is a good example of lost “secrets”
the lost secret of monkey boxing is, monkey boxing refers to concaving the chest and leaning forward. not acting like a monkey.
Like David stated: the basic. I became conscious of primary movements when I got my tush handed back to me by a good exponent of karate/kickboxing, who was my friend’s student. My friend was cool about it- he didn’t put down CMA as not being good, but simply told me that I should focus on the basic of each element of fighting which would be the four attacks: striking, kicking, seizing, and throwing.
Sadly, CMA stylist spend to much time on secondary, and tertiary theories/techniques that may never work in an actual situation, especially with no good foundation which is gain from good basics.
The secret is simply- practice the basics; however, some of the secondary and tertiary concepts are valid and should be preserve.
I don’t always agree with John wang, and I know tons of people get turned off by some of his posts, but if you read them carefully you’ll see info he got directly from Chang Dung Sheng which makes the entire difference whether something works or not
It has nothing to do with “internal” or “chi” or even with techniques no one has seen, they have to do with the SAME TECHNIQUES EVERYONE IS LEARNING
What angle dose my foot have to be, where am I in relation to the person being throw, in what direction am I throwing him, where is my grip, is my grip pulling pushing lifting or sinking?
i think the biggest irony is in mma there are knockouts with flying kicks. and mma fighters have very rooted and stable footwork that kung fu guys always mention but can never get to work.
the only way to make kung fu work is to not train kung fu.
