Someone just posted this on the German forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xm0eiWTLGc&feature=player_embedded
Nice set, and pretty well executed imho 
[QUOTE=Sean66;1131168]Someone just posted this on the German forum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xm0eiWTLGc&feature=player_embedded[/QUOTE]
Thanks ! good stuff.
It’s my understanding that the form in the video is a bit different than what Philipp teaches, but the guy seems to be putting in some good training. Just as long as all the ideas are there, the “choreography” doesn’t matter that much.
[QUOTE=Sean66;1131275]…but the guy seems to be putting in some good training. Just as long as all the ideas are there, the “choreography” doesn’t matter that much.[/QUOTE]
Agree, it’s my understanding that the pole was never really a true form anyway, just a set of movements that one could organize anyway they chose.
[QUOTE=WC1277;1131283]Agree, it’s my understanding that the pole was never really a true form anyway, just a set of movements that one could organize anyway they chose.[/QUOTE]
True. Sifu Augustine Fong connected the movements into a form for demo or practice purposes.
His advanced students know the form and many others know the one and two person drills.
One of Moy Yat’s NYC student learned the form from sifu and won a weapons competition some years ago. One of sigung Ho’s Canadian students is also very good with the pole.
I respect Bayer learing the kwan given his own challenge.
joy
[QUOTE=WC1277;1131283]Agree, it’s my understanding that the pole was never really a true form anyway, just a set of movements that one could organize anyway they chose.[/QUOTE]
well said and i agree
variations of VT luk dim boon Kwan :
Not a good video of WSL using the long pole. During that seminar the floor was very slippery. No grip for his shoes but still better than the others me thinks. 
GH
[QUOTE=Graham H;1131359]Not a good video of WSL using the long pole. During that seminar the floor was very slippery. No grip for his shoes but still better than the others me thinks.
GH[/QUOTE]
All in the details 
Some seem to raise and lower the pole tip several feet rather than use ‘tip force’ .
Tang Yick has some fancy moves …
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1131370]All in the details Some seem to raise and lower the pole tip several feet rather than use ‘tip force’ .
Tang Yick has some fancy moves …[/QUOTE]
Yes it’s kind of concerning that we have drills to stop that problem. 
There is also no connection between the hip and elbow which means they must rely totally on the arms and not structure. TST’s movements are incorrect. I don’t think he spars with the pole so what does it matter? Its good for show ;). If they were going to try and dispalce the opposing weapon and attack with moves like that then they would be in trouble.
What Cheung is doing I have no idea. I expect he doesnt either!
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[QUOTE=Graham H;1131373]Yes it’s kind of concerning that we have drills to stop that problem.
There is also no connection between the hip and elbow which means they must rely totally on the arms and not structure. TST’s movements are incorrect. I don’t think he spars with the pole so what does it matter? Its good for show ;). If they were going to try and dispalce the opposing weapon and attack with moves like that then they would be in trouble.
What Cheung is doing I have no idea. I expect he doesnt either!
GH[/QUOTE]
clip weng chun Chan Wing Yu this guys got a narrow grip but working on the ‘gwan’
clip of elaborate pole dummy it must have been rough back in the days when you faced multiple pole attacks on the way to the teahouse !
So, let’s post clips of ourselves doing the famous pole form! Who’ll go first?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1131317]variations of VT luk dim boon Kwan :
5.5 Tan Yick short clip[/QUOTE]
It’s interesting that here is solid proof that there are very few examples of Wing Chun Pole out there in the World! :eek:
Call it what you like, but all of these clips are not full examples of the 6.5 ‘form’ (because there IS one imhhho) they are simply the condensed drills Ip Man selected to teach within the small spaces of the HK gwoons.
[QUOTE=Sean66;1131400]So, let’s post clips of ourselves doing the famous pole form! Who’ll go first?[/QUOTE]
It’s really not for me to share because what I do looks a bit different.
Seeing the few criticisms (already!) it would be good to see their examples as they’re set is bound to be more familiar with everyone here
Ah, it’s ok Spencer. Doesn’t matter if it looks different. What matters are the ideas in there - strategic, power generation, stepping, - and how these ideas are manifested in the technical execution of the “form”. So go grab your pole and camera and give us a show
[QUOTE=Sean66;1131405]Ah, it’s ok Spencer. Doesn’t matter if it looks different. What matters are the ideas in there - strategic, power generation, stepping, - and how these ideas are manifested in the technical execution of the “form”. So go grab your pole and camera and give us a show :D[/QUOTE]
No need to record anything because I’ve done it all so many times before Latest one was in glorious HD
Still, I wouldn’t waste my time sharing, what I have been told, one of my Sigungs treasures ‘here’! Like his knives too, they are to be experienced first hand.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1131409]No need to record anything because I’ve done it all so many times before Latest one was in glorious HD
Still, I wouldn’t waste my time sharing, what I have been told, one of my Sigungs treasures ‘here’! Like his knives too, they are to be experienced first hand.[/QUOTE]
riiigghhtt its a secret I saw a clip of LS doing what looked like a technique called “beat the carpet clean” in a backyard or “chase the rats out of the kitchen..” it looked like a guy just wailing on anothers head which I may add has very direct and practical applications, before you get all defensive. So hes already on you tube Spencer…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1131403]It’s interesting that here is solid proof that there are very few examples of Wing Chun Pole out there in the World! :eek:
Call it what you like, but all of these clips are not full examples of the 6.5 ‘form’ (because there IS one imhhho) they are simply the condensed drills Ip Man selected to teach within the small spaces of the HK gwoons.[/QUOTE]
so how many points is your 6.5 point pole form ?
we asked you before…?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1131419]riiigghhtt its a secret I saw a clip of LS doing what looked like a technique called “beat the carpet clean” in a backyard or “chase the rats out of the kitchen..” it looked like a guy just wailing on anothers head which I may add has very direct and practical applications, before you get all defensive. So hes already on you tube Spencer…
CLIP Lee Sing courtesy of none other than Austin Goh[/QUOTE]
Are those the secret moves Spencer is reffering to in that video??
He would be able to chase grizzly bears out the backyard with those moves let alone rats out the kitchen.
Maybe they are just drills. I’m not sure what they would improve apart from being able to fan a small band of sweaty cats down but probably better not to judge from video footage.
GH