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ents are large, tree-like bipeds whose lives revolves around the herding of and caring for trees. they are spoken well of in the lord of the rings series and, doubtless, other fantasy lore. they’re huge and strong (like a tree) and all that good stuff, and they don’t take kindly to a person who cuts down too many trees.
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Originally posted by IronFist
[B]So people get bruises on their arms all the time. how come people don’t die from it all the time (knock on wood)? If it’s so easy for the clot to make it to the heart, I mean.
So if the clot is moving, will you see the bruise move, too? [/B]
A bruise does not necessarily mean there is a blood clot there, and even if there is it needs to be in a large vein for it to be a threat. It is a condition called deep vein thrombosis or DVT and can also occur from lack of movement over long periods of time (like long haul flights). Clot movement in a vein is not necessarily fatal either - the clot can break up as it travels, and there are drugs available to assist this process.
So, a bruise on the arm is a sign that some of the local blood vessels have ruptured, but unless it has caused a clot in a large vein there should be no problem. It can become a problem if an existing bruise continues to sustain trauma as it could lead to damage of a deeper blood vessel and possibly DVT.
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
aye, within reason. also, physics usually tells us that the object on the outside of a rotation is moving faster than something on the inside. thus, your foot is moving faster (covering more distance in the same period of time) than your knee is. mmmmm, inertia.
Oh s.hit, you’re right. The lower on your shin you hit, the faster your leg is going. Good call.
Physics 0wns me
aye. see, physics does its cardio, which is why it can kick your box-squatting arse into next tuesday.
another concern is targets like elbers and knees which, even though they are closer to the body, seem to hurt about 800 times as much as punches and kicks. with this two, i think it’s all about just plain ol’ torque rather than centripital force.
Joedoe, what is DVT? Also, is there any way to treat it? Thanks in advance.
Originally posted by rubthebuddha
aye. see, physics does its cardio, which is why it can kick your box-squatting arse into next tuesday.
rofl 
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Originally posted by phantom
Joedoe, what is DVT? Also, is there any way to treat it? Thanks in advance.
DVT = Deep Vein Thrombosis = a blood clot in a large vein. It is an called deep because the veins it can cause an issue in are usually located deeper in the tissue.
Usual treatment is to use blood thinners to try to break up the clot and prevent it from either reaching the heart or the brain. People are also usually advised to avoid any further trauma to the affected area as it can dislodge the clot and get it moving through the blood stream.
I don’t know much more as I am not a doctor and I am only going off what I remember having to do when I had it years ago.
Deep Vein Thrombosis… Hmmmm…
It’s occurring to me, what do you guys think of the possibilities regarding these blood clots not being a result of shin conditioning, but of getting caught with leg kicks?
You get nailed with a couple of good leg kicks, and your leg will swell like a balloon. Thai Boxers, over the course of their fighting careers, will take in excess of thousands of kicks to their legs. Maybe in some instances a clot develops and breaks loose, killing the boxer?
I know of two examples of big-name Thai boxers who just have suddenly died for no apparant reason.
Nanfah, a 5 time Thai Boxing Champ and International Boxing Champ as well. He fought in the Olympics the same years as Sugar Ray Leonard (in a different weight-class, I think). He dropped dead in his mid-40’s of a heart attack. This happened back in the mid-90’s.
Chatchai Paiseethong. He died in his prime. He was still fighting. I think in his late 20’s. I don’t know if he was a champ or not, but he was a very well-known and highly skilled fighter. Dropped dead of a heart attack in his prime. This happened just about 2 years ago.
I’ve heard all kinds of stories regarding the long-term effects of shin conditioning. So much of it is BUNK! Nothing to back it up.
ARTHRITIS: This has already been answered. The shin is not a joint. However, an argument could be made regarding your knees, toes, and ankles receiving damage that would lead to arthritis, but I believe that this is more likely if you constantly are kicking incorrectly.
SHIN CANCER (BONE CANCER): This is the one that really amazes me. I understand that shin conditioning causes damage to the bones, but it is minor damage that when it heals, makes the shin tougher. I’ve heard this rumor bandied about by a few different people. One person claims a friend died 6 months after beginning to train and condition his shins. I’m not trying to say that his friend didn’t get cancer and it did not grow on his shins, but what I am saying is that the shin conditioning was not the CAUSE of the cancer. The friend must have been exposed to a carcinogen already. The carcinogen, and cancer, just happened to have attacked his shins. If you’re going to get cancer, you’re going to get cancer. Had it not been his shins, the cancer would have attacked him somewhere else.
CRIPPLING: I’ve never met a crippled Thai boxer. Both of my Muay Thai coaches are old. Master Danny is 57 years old, and Master K is 66 years old. I have been introduced to many other Thai Boxers who are well past their prime. They are just fine. They aren’t confined to wheel chairs. They don’t limp. They don’t even walk funny. Heck, most of them are still quite physically active in a variety of sports and could still kick my butt!
REALISTICALLY: Martial Arts is training is not gentle. Whether you are training to learn self defense, sport application, or for exercise, you are applying great amounts of stress to your body to make yourself tougher. There are a variety of other pasttimes which are similar: Football, Rugby, Soccer, Hockey, Running, Cycling, Gymnastics. There is a risk in anything that we do. If you were to closely examine the hard contact sports/pasttimes, there is obviously going to be a greater percentage of injuries, illness, and death which can be associated with these activities.
Just train hard, train smart, eat right, and enjoy your life.
Yeah, the chances of getting it from conditioning are pretty slim. I got a blood clot in a vein in the back of my knee - had a massive bruise there for weeks - but that was caused by spending too much time in front of my workstation. DVT from trauma would more likely be cause from taking a heavy blow rather than from the type of contact made in conditioning.
Interesting thoughts re. thai boxers dying young. You would think that a post mortem would have determined that a blood clot was responsible though wouldn’t you?
True about the post-mortem, but then, I never got any deets on the post-mortem. Just “heart attack”.
But this kind of thing happens in almost all sports. How about that figure skater who was found dead in his hotel room a few years back? Sudden heart attack in the prime of his life and career!
When your number is up, its up.
True enough