Fundamentally, how would shin conditioning differ from forearm conditioning?
maybe the lack of protective muscle does more damage than to the forearm area…shrug
Originally posted by BMore Banga
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I think you missed my point.
I was coming from the viewpoint of the Thais.
If we’re talking about the Thais, then my heavybag comment is accurate.
There have been plenty of people who’ve gone to training camps in thailand to train with competitive thais who have reported that said thais do nothing more than kick the heavybag for the insane shins.
You can read some of these accounts on the Underground’s Kickboxing forum.
Heck the moderator there, Khun Kao, actually posts here. [/B]
actually, I read in “muay thai: a living legacy” last night that back in the day, fighters did roll their shins. I would say kicking the bag is definitely where the conditioning comes from these days, and kicking the bananna tree was the main method back then.
Come on, more info, blood clots, broken shins, long term problems, let’s keep talking about these things.
Rick faye gives a speach at the end of his seminars about bruises on the legs and blood clots. I have video Id have to watch again for details but he explains to rub and massage out bruises immediatly (after training) and throught the “life” of the bruise to prevent clotting and complications much later on.
Keeping your bones healthy is about diet, not overtraining, and training smart ( I think bags and other peoples shins are enough, but rolling things works too..)
I dunno about forearms. All I get is the heavy bag, sparring, and pak sau.
:eek:
Shins, forearms, knuckles… I mean, fundamentally, all you’re doing is hitting a bone, right? I don’t see how shins would be any different from the other two, except for the fact that knuckles are joints which could probably cause more complications.
The only thing with shins is that the leverage may be worse which might cause breaks. Like say you hit something with the middle of your shin. Well, all the part of the bone past where you hit to the end of your foot will want to keep going. Kind of like when a guy breaks a staff over his forearm, except in this case your shin is like the staff; the end of it wants to keep going. So I guess, from a physics standpoint, the lower on your shin you hit, the safer it would be.
Or, if you were wearing like weighted shoes or something, it would make this effect a lot worse. There’d be even more force trying to keep going after you make impact. Ouch.
I think there are a lot more blood vessels and such in the legs than the arms. The arteries and veins running through the thighs are substantially bigger than those running through the arms if I remember my A&P correctly. It might be more of a danger in the legs because the amount of possible damage is greater. A clot that would normally have a problem flowing through the veins of the arms, may flow easily through the veins in the legs.
We need some doctors on this forum.
Originally posted by BMore Banga
We need some doctors on this forum.
I have enough field-work experience to be considered a gynecologist. Does that count?
Man, and here I thought you were a proctologist… 
As for the bone density question, repetative stress will infact increase density. In a college physiology class, we reviewed a study done on the forearms of baseball players. They took density readings (osteo-something another) on the front arm vs. the back and it was shown that over time, the back forearm did increase in density. It was postulated that the impact of hitting signaled the body to reinforce the area of constant stress.
I will look and see if I can find the name of the journal that it was published in.
As for the decrease in pain, it is the scar tissue that covers the nerve endings that does it. Nerves don’t just “feel” at the end. That is why you have to have a root canal to remove the whole thing, not just the tip.
Originally posted by BMore Banga
Man, and here I thought you were a proctologist…
Nah. The wife has limits. :mad:
Originally posted by MasterKiller
Nah. The wife has limits. :mad:
Didn’t seem that way last time I came over.:eek:
as for the shins and blood clots, whatnot. I’ve heard that most blood clots come from the arms or legs and find their way to the heart. The legs seem to have come up more then anything else and I imagine it’ sbecause of the size of the vessels and the ability for your legs to sort of push blood through the body faster.
Originally posted by Vash
Didn’t seem that way last time I came over.:eek:
She lets me do Karate biatches in the @ss, just not her.
Originally posted by MasterKiller
She lets me do Karate biatches in the @ss, just not her.
You mean she lets them do you? As I recal, she was screaming “Take it, MK! Take it like you love it!”
Good times.
So people get bruises on their arms all the time. how come people don’t die from it all the time (knock on wood)? If it’s so easy for the clot to make it to the heart, I mean.
So if the clot is moving, will you see the bruise move, too?
I don’t think it’s easy or happens “often”. however your dealing with an exception to everyday living here. Your purposelly going out and doing things on a regular basis that cause the conditions for a clot to form is all. My guess is that not all MT guys die from blood clots but it may be a risk factor. Sort of like not all skydivers die but form time to time one hits the ground without a parachute.
Does anybody know of any long-term effects of breaking boards and baseball bats with your shins? Thanks in advance.
So I guess, from a physics standpoint, the lower on your shin you hit, the safer it would be.
aye, within reason. also, physics usually tells us that the object on the outside of a rotation is moving faster than something on the inside. thus, your foot is moving faster (covering more distance in the same period of time) than your knee is. mmmmm, inertia.
Does anybody know of any long-term effects of breaking boards and baseball bats with your shins?
yes. ents will post a warning on your front door. once. then after that, your parents/spouse can put your ass under “write-offs” the next time they do their taxes.
I am sorry rubthebuddha, I do not understand. Could you please explain your answer? Thanks in advance.