[QUOTE=1bad65;1009821]It’s not the governments right to raise children. It’s the parents rights.
Again, freedom means we have the choice to make stupid decisions.[/QUOTE]
Yes stupid decisions for yourself, when you make stupid decisions that hurt other people it’s against the law. Freedom is also being protected from other people. Or should we just let drunk drivers run rampant through the streets, hey it’s their choice right? Sometimes the people you need to be protected from are your own parents.
Are you saying the government shouldn’t protect children from abuse by their parents?
So San, since you are for the Government passing laws to combat parents not teaching their kids proper nutrition, are we to say you would be for the Government forcefully sterilizing the children of welfare recipients if those kids start having kids they cannot take care of?
Only a republican would think that would be a good solution. Is it only welfare recipients who have underage children having kids? Which do you think is the problem, that babies are having babies, or that they are on welfare?
No the point is that any time a bureaucrat gets involved they always believe they have the right to meddle “for the better good”. Because a few parents out there are lousy parents does not give the government the right to meddle in a familes affairs. Where does it end, and who draws the line? historically anytime the government involves itself with anything it screws it up or exploits the original intent of the office. We started out taxing incomes of “some number that was huge for the time” at 1% to finance a war, that effected John Rockefeller. Today they confiscate 40% of everyones income. It is incremental and slow but it happens every time. Social engineering ideas are the same thing in a differant dress.
[QUOTE=solo1;1009840]No the point is that any time a bureaucrat gets involved they always believe they have the right to meddle “for the better good”. Because a few parents out there are lousy parents does not give the government the right to meddle in a familes affairs. Where does it end, and who draws the line? historically anytime the government involves itself with anything it screws it up or exploits the original intent of the office. We started out taxing incomes of “some number that was huge for the time” at 1% to finance a war, that effected John Rockefeller. Today they confiscate 40% of everyones income. It is incremental and slow but it happens every time. Social engineering ideas are the same thing in a differant dress.[/QUOTE]
Well, wouldn’t the recent abortion laws in Oklahoma be meddling in families’ affairs?
But under a new law in Oklahoma, women like Casteix, who have been sexually assaulted, will be forced to undergo a second trauma. The law requires them to undergo a sonogram, and depending on the state of pregnancy, it could be a transvaginal one, which involves insertion of a wand.
The doctor must then turn the screen towards her and describe fetal dimensions and details like the number of fingers and toes and heart activity.
There are no exemptions for victims of rape and incest.
The Oklahoma legislature approved a second law that prohibits women from seeking damages if a physician withholds information or provides inaccurate information about a pregnancy.
I saw this last night… I couldn’t beleive the part where they basically allow the Dr to lie to the patient, and then they are immune to being sued. WTF???
[QUOTE=1bad65;1009821]It’s not the governments right to raise children. It’s the parents rights.
Again, freedom means we have the choice to make stupid decisions.[/QUOTE]
Obesity is a national pandemic. Don’t confuse freedom with “we can do whatever the hell we want”. You DON’T have the right to make stupid decisions. You can’t drive your car at 120mph down a busy street. You can’t smoke in a hospital. You can’t lace your house with TNT to see how it works.
They aren’t BANNING McDonalds, but they ARE making it more difficult for them to poison our youth, who already are suffering from an unprecedented level of obesity. This is what is killing the republican party. Arguing this crap just for the sake of arguing about our “freedoms”. This is no different from Camel being regulated for using a fun cartoon character to market cigarettes.
Just because you don’t comprehend the danger and toxicity of processed, fast food, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. AND this stuff is killing the heart of our nation. Free range ranchers, farmers, all being driven out of business by industrial farms. People who are ranching and farming the RIGHT way. There’s a nasty underbelly to this business, and if you support that to any degree, 1Bad, I am afraid I can’t discuss this with you, because that underbelly is everything republicans and libertarians are supposed to hate. It’s corporate socialism, and it’s far worse than anything your antichrist Pres. Obama could ever do.
I dont’ agree with most advertising to children, so I don’t buy products that advertise in a manner I don’t agree with.
That’s how you solve these issues in America. Parents need to take more responsibility for their kids diets. It’s not like this is a school lunch program where kids have limited choices. Kids can only get McDonalds when their parents willingly take them there. I NEVER take my kids to McDonalds. We go to Chik-Fil-A when we eat fast food because their kids’ meals come with fruit and a coupon for free ice cream, giving me the choice of whether or not to allow my kids to have it.
In America, you have the right to kill yourself with a fatty diet. That’s a fact.
Companies shouldn’t be allowed to advertise anything but entertainment to children, period. Children are not free citizens, their rights are limited, and people’s rights in regards to them is limited as well, for good reason. And ads that are ostensibly to the parents, but are really trying to get the kids to pressure their parents, are dispicable, and teach all the wrong values to those kids.
[QUOTE=Drake;1009849]Obesity is a national pandemic. Don’t confuse freedom with “we can do whatever the hell we want”. You DON’T have the right to make stupid decisions. You can’t drive your car at 120mph down a busy street. You can’t smoke in a hospital. You can’t lace your house with TNT to see how it works.
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Because those affect others. Eating yourself to death only affects you.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1010085]Because those affect others. Eating yourself to death only affects you.[/QUOTE]
Well, not really. As you have pointed out several times, health care costs in America are drastically affected by the obesity epidemic, which raises insurance premiums for everyone.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1010098]Well, not really. As you have pointed out several times, health care costs in America are drastically affected by the obesity epidemic, which raises insurance premiums for everyone.[/QUOTE]
So, should healthy people pay for those who became sick because of long term bad health decisions?
When 75% of my countrymen are obese, it DOES affect me. How could it NOT? But you can turn a blind eye to the correlating facts about fast food and how it is single-handedly destroying our nation, and by all means, back up the processed food industry. I can’t possibly make you any less ignorant to the damage being done around you. So yeah… whine about your freedoms being ripped from your hands as the fast food industry does it for you.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1010167]But we used to be able to choose to opt out of private insurance. Now the Party of “pro-choice” has forced us all to participate.[/QUOTE]
Well, I don’t like being forced to wear my seat-belt just because it saves insurance companies money, either.
[QUOTE=Drake;1010169]When 75% of my countrymen are obese, it DOES affect me. How could it NOT? But you can turn a blind eye to the correlating facts about fast food and how it is single-handedly destroying our nation, and by all means, back up the processed food industry. I can’t possibly make you any less ignorant to the damage being done around you. So yeah… whine about your freedoms being ripped from your hands as the fast food industry does it for you.[/QUOTE]
The fast food industry can’t take my freedoms away. Liberal Democrats are.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1010170]Well, I don’t like being forced to wear my seat-belt just because it saves insurance companies money, either.[/QUOTE]
Nor do I. Ann Richards signed our law into effect. I remember how she lied about how officers would not be stopping people strictly for seat belt violations. Yet the moment it passed, she came out and said law enforcement can’t turn a blind eye to lawbreaking. I was only a teenager when that happened. I learned at a young age that liberals usually have to lie to get their agenda passed.
[QUOTE=1bad65;1010204]The fast food industry can’t take my freedoms away. Liberal Democrats are.
Face it Drake, what we eat is a choice.[/QUOTE]
Face it. You are seriously confusing the issue. I’ve stated it. It’s up to you to figure it out. McDonald’s ISN’T BEING BANNED. They are making POISON less appealing to kids. I can’t believe you are supporting McDonalds. It’s like you WANT them to continue making our country ill.
The same point you make is the same one letting those people protest at soldiers’ funerals. Allowing poison to enter our nation using the false choice fallacy as bait.