Morning Folks
As the sparring thread has fallen into a name calling slag fest, id suggest we get a bit of context back into it by atleast agreeing what sparring IS
YKW just posted these clips and id agree they are spot on, in my opinion, as a good platform for sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAqhp0_KV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiAi9DFhFMs
Let the abuse begin 
Looks good to me, but I train Jeet Kune Do, we do that **** all the time.
Agree with the sentiment of the thread but would suggest that the clips posted are not sparring, they are competition fights (in this case sanshou according to the title).
Iâd offer this as a clip of sparring, obviously the intensity can be ramped up but ultimately it should be a learning experience for at least one party.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1127452]Agree with the sentiment of the thread but would suggest that the clips posted are not sparring, they are competition fights (in this case sanshou according to the title).
Iâd offer this as a clip of sparring, obviously the intensity can be ramped up but ultimately it should be a learning experience for at least one party.
http://youtu.be/MAxfXCl_tfQ[/QUOTE]
Thanks Ian⌠id agree with that one as well. Good mid level sparring working their technique
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1127452]Agree with the sentiment of the thread but would suggest that the clips posted are not sparring, they are competition fights (in this case sanshou according to the title).
Iâd offer this as a clip of sparring, obviously the intensity can be ramped up but ultimately it should be a learning experience for at least one party.
http://youtu.be/MAxfXCl_tfQ[/QUOTE]
+1, thatâs my opinion of sparring as well
Sparring is good. Hopefully itâll lead to competing full contact like the first clips.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1127440]Morning Folks
As the sparring thread has fallen into a name calling slag fest, id suggest we get a bit of context back into it by atleast agreeing what sparring IS
YKW just posted these clips and id agree they are spot on, in my opinion, as a good platform for sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAqhp0_KV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiAi9DFhFMs
Let the abuse begin ;)[/QUOTE]
Seems like a inner school or intra school sanshou match there, not sparring. Not sure of the rules - it seems similar to sanda where hip throws are allowed but no ground. No GNP at all. Weird rules - not sure exactly what it was they were doing by standing counts after the one kidâs turning back kick.
The elements that they are wearing boxing gloves and going unrestricted are similar to sparring. The pace for sparring can range from going after someone to feeling out movements and light striking.
Not a public advertised match as you see very few spectators.
[QUOTE=GlennR;1127440]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAqhp0_KV0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiAi9DFhFMs
)[/QUOTE]
Kick boxing sparring yes! Ving Tsun sparring no!
GH
[QUOTE=Graham H;1127616]Kick boxing sparring yes! Ving Tsun sparring no!
I agree.
joy chaudhuri
I posted this in the other sparring thread and I wanted to quote it here. I believe the responses belong in the other thread but I wanted people here to respond as well, if they so desire.
For those who are against sparring in WC I am curious as to why.
Iâm not talking about folks who train and arenât interested in sparring but those who are against sparring.
BTW, this is a serious question as I canât get my head around the against sparring concept.
Thanks
Mike
[QUOTE=Graham H;1127616]Kick boxing sparring yes! Ving Tsun sparring no!
GH[/QUOTE]
Not so much looking at the techniques but the intent.
So ill bite G and Joy⌠how would WC sparring differ?
[QUOTE=GlennR;1127967]Not so much looking at the techniques but the intent.
Glenn- I have posted something related to this on the other sparring thread.
BTW things get twisted around. I did not say that a fight will end with 3 moves.
You prepare seriously and be prepared to end it in 3 moves or lessâŚbut ofcourse you have lots of things in reserve- you keep your tank full for subsequent action if needed.
There is some word twisting, goading and trolling that goes on in threads. Used to it.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1128000]-------------------------------------------------------
Glenn- I have posted something related to this on the other sparring thread.
BTW things get twisted around. I did not say that a fight will end with 3 moves.
You prepare seriously and be prepared to end it in 3 moves or lessâŚbut ofcourse you have lots of things in reserve- you keep your tank full for subsequent action if needed.
There is some word twisting, goading and trolling that goes on in threads. Used to it.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Youve lost me Joy, i just asked what WC sparring would look like (as opposed to the clips put up) and made no refrence to the 3 moves thing.
So im guessing im not going to get an answer in regards to what WC sparring would look like
Thats cool though
Hi Glenn- this is what I wrote on the other thread about sparring.
(âSparâ has become a word game with variable meanings on this and related threads. If spar means wearing gloves and maybe wearing a head guard and bouncing around- been there done that. I still have gloves around and spar for fun. But wing chun version of contact work speeds up learning wing chunâs approach to self defense faster. As my kung fu brother has pointed out generally we donât spar
in class- but we do various kinds of chi sao (gasp). I think the chi sao is also a word- what we do in chi sao is different from other chi sao that I have seen. Itâs not just sensitivity-- it is also learning and using and experimentingâ(a lab) with different kinds of power, timing, distance, not being stuck, positioning, opening, finding, closing lines , targeting, controlling, integrating footwork, separating, closing, lots of footwork and lots pf other things . When class is over some folks on their own stick around and if they wish, square off with baijong and can go at it with controls.
Some of the students have entered tournaments not for cups and medals but to gain experience.
Training for competition involves supplementation knowing the rules and more intense conditioning. One of my current students- a top flight grappler and striker has mixed it up quite well in competition and also a good mma(gasp) club. He has worn gloves for specific events and I have worked with him with gloves.
On this thread folks often play the same old word games.
joy chaudhuri)
Regarding clips- I have none- except for occasional use of an instamatic camera I am a primitive when it comes to cameras and videos.
Sorry if any of this does not speak to your questions.
joy chaudhuri
well putâŚ
Not so much looking at the techniques but the intent.
So ill bite G and Joy⌠how would WC sparring differ?
Glen we dont spar in tents! 
[QUOTE=Graham H;1128081]Glen we dont spar in tents! :D[/QUOTE]
From what i hear you spar in a dress⌠ya knob
Hi Glenn- this is what I wrote on the other thread about sparring.
(âSparâ has become a word game with variable meanings on this and related threads. If spar means wearing gloves and maybe wearing a head guard and bouncing around- been there done that. I still have gloves around and spar for fun.
Fair enough
But wing chun version of contact work speeds up learning wing chunâs approach to self defense faster.
Yes it does. To a point
As my kung fu brother has pointed out generally we donât spar
in class
Fair enough again, thats your approach
but we do various kinds of chi sao (gasp).
The gasp is somewhat patronising Joy. Youre not the only one that does that, ive done mainland a TST WC so ive had comprehensive exposure to 2 schools of thought.
I think the chi sao is also a word- what we do in chi sao is different from other chi sao that I have seen. Itâs not just sensitivity-- it is also learning and using and experimentingâ(a lab) with different kinds of power, timing, distance, not being stuck, positioning, opening, finding, closing lines , targeting, controlling, integrating footwork, separating, closing, lots of footwork and lots pf other things . When class is over some folks on their own stick around and if they wish, square off with baijong and can go at it with controls.
Yep, same same
Some of the students have entered tournaments not for cups and medals but to gain experience.
Cool, i can relate to that. Some just like to fight as well.
Training for competition involves supplementation knowing the rules and more intense conditioning. One of my current students- a top flight grappler and striker has mixed it up quite well in competition and also a good mma(gasp) club. He has worn gloves for specific events and I have worked with him with gloves.
All power to him
On this thread folks often play the same old word games.
Sure, i think we are all guilty of that at some stage.
But i go back to the original clip i posted Joy, put one of your guys in there instead of the 2 in there now⌠how do you fare against the big leg kicks, the hooks, grappling, footwork if all youve done is WC on WC specific drills?
How do you know what will or wont work if you havent trialled it??
ie, no sparring experience
You mention the fighter you have (mma guy) but whilst he does some WC with you, his base is grappling⌠he would have done a ton of sparring
[QUOTE=GlennR;1128112]From what i hear you spar in a dress⌠ya knob ;)[/QUOTE]
Well all the idiots do say WC was created by a woman!
GH
PS. Ya c**t!
Hi Glenn(see comments in brackets))
[QUOTE=GlennR;1128116]Fair enough
The gasp is somewhat patronising Joy. Youre not the only one that does that, ive done mainland a TST WC so ive had comprehensive exposure to 2 schools of thought.
((Not my intention to be patronising. The intended context was the claims of some that chi sao is
superfluous since there is âsparringâ))
But i go back to the original clip i posted Joy, put one of your guys in there instead of the 2 in there now⌠how do you fare against the big leg kicks, the hooks, grappling, footwork if all youve done is WC on WC specific drills?
((WC was not intended just to deal with other wc..My POV and practice involves considerable attention to structure, footwork and understanding the role of gravity, The clips show poor wc structure IMO of course- but props that they got into the ring to face someone))
How do you know what will or wont work if you havent trialled it??
((Have experimented with kickers, grapplers and both southpaw and ânorthpaw?â strikers- enough to know the wc game))
joy