As to where you can live…
When you start to head out here, send me a message. Our house is about a 15 minute bike ride from U.C.B. We’ve got a great backyard for practicing and a cool group of people live here. I would describe the neighboorhood as “pleasently ghetto”. 
North Oakland’s actually an awesome place to live.
Hey Disciple,
Don’t waste your time with those Southern styles. If you want to become a true bad ass, join EBM kung fu (see NorthernShaolin’s suggestion for kungfu.net). They’ve got one of the top San Shou teams in the country and they teach real traditional Northern Shaolin kung fu as well as Tai Chi and Hsing Yi. You can’t go wrong with this school. Brent Hamby and Dan Carr (my teacher right now down here in LA) are very qualified teachers and they’ll transform you into a true martial arts bad ass!! 
don’t get all uppity,
but what’s your problem with southern styles? it is a well known fact that southern styles have some of the fiercest fighters.
not starting trouble, just wanted insight into your dislike for southern styles.
but i will let you know Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut is truly one effective system.
oh, and by the way, Doc Fai Wong is not the only choy lee fut school in sf. the original Hung Sing Kwoon is still running under GM Dino Salvatera the head master of the American Hung SIng Clf branch. and then you have tat mau wong, E.Y. Lee, the CHan family guy in chinatown, and the lacey’s accross the bay.
forget about doc fai wong, he is not the greatest or the biggest.
I guess maybe I shouldn’t have been so general. Now that you mention it Choy Lee Fut is an effective system. Out of all of the Southern styles, it’s the one I respect the most (interesting note: there have been some major rivalries between Choy Lee Fut and Wing Chun http://www.buksing.com/5_panthers/5_panthers.html)
I myself have just never been partial to Wing Chun or Hung Gar. Due to my height (6’3"), I’m mainly a kicker so maybe that has something to do with it. Also, I’ve never felt like Wing Chun or Hung Gar were really well rounded styles when it came to incorporating hand techniques and versatile kicks. Hence, my preference for styles like Northern Shaolin and Muay Thai. Hsing Yi and Ba Gua don’t emphasize kicks either but they’re great for building internal power and concentration.
Sorry about dumping on WC and HG. They both can be quite effective in the right hands, they’re just not my thing. Once again, I suggest EBM Kung Fu. Either there or some other Shaolin school like O-Mei Kung Fu Academy in Oakland (or one of those aforementioned Choy Lee Fut schools).
The reason you feel the way you do about WC & HG is because you obviously know very little about them. Well, that and the fact that a WC guy (Bruce Lee) beat your grandmaster (Wong Jack Man) in a fight back in the 60s.
where did that come from?
anger management? maybe?
LOL! Nah, Siu Lum Fighter is just always talking smack about how crappy Wing Chun, Hung Gar, etc are (even going to the Jeet Kune Do forum and talking crap about Bruce Lee, Wing Chun, etc) so I just get tired of him always playing his broken record… 
Is it true that Wong Jack Man got beaten 
…I thought that it was a draw or something. It seems there are stories supporting both camps. Who knows ?
Don’t believe what you read about WJM and BL. If you understand the Traditional Chinese Martial Arts Custom, its a no brainer.
Well, if you understand anything about actual fighting, it really IS a no-brainer. Unfortunately there are alot of people around who think that just because their sifu told them something, well it must be true.
Those of us who have spent most of our lives (yes, literally, the greater part of my training since I was 12, I’m now 35) sparring full contact (boxing, kickboxing, san shou), and most of our professional lives working in professions where we had to use our training on a regular basis (cop, prison guard, security) can see that, though Linda Lee’s account of the fight may have been exaggerated, Bruce Lee was most likely the winner of that fight, as has been generally acknowledged for decades.
Unfortunately bruce lee is not here to back his side of the story up. and from what i understand is that the loser of the fight was supposed to close down and if he really won, then why is wjm still teaching?
Also, from what i’ve heard is that while wjm was taking off his jacket bruce lee attacked. and if that were the case, anyone would run around to avoid being attacked. i just heard it wasn’t a fair fight, that bl was the dirty fighter.
still, wjm is alive so can we please just respect that? of course i am a Choy Lee Fut guy, so what do i know.
I’m totally fine with not dissing WJM, the problem I have is with people like Siu Lum Fighter going around talking crap about martial arts they’ve never done and people they’ll never know. If he were to simply stop spewing garbage, he wouldn’t receive any negative responses from me, but I doubt that’ll happen.
:rolleyes: Oh boy. Not this again. Hey cerebus I thought we left this behind in the JKD Forum. Ya, maybe I still do feel WJM was the superior fighter. How would you know anyway since you’ve never seen him fight? Come to think of it we’ve never seen Bruce Lee fight either (greatest martial artist in the world and no trophies, no public full contact matches?). That has nothing to do with my distaste for certain technical aspects of WC and HG.
I just thought I might add that this whole notion, that was perpetuated by Bruce, that high kicks have no place in real fighting is total bunkage. All someone has to do is watch Remy Bonjasky fight in K-1 to see the proof of that (even though he lost to Mo he’s still bad-ass).
You really, truly know nothing at all about BL or JKD, do you? Every comment you’ve ever made about either subject displays your ignorance. BL never perpetuated any such notion that high kicks are for actual fighting (but hey, you’re the guy who thinks that BL’s movie Kung Fu was exactly what he taught in real life as a fighting art. You’re so completely clueless…).
And you’re the one who keeps wanting to start things up again by talking trash about things you have ZERO knowledge about…
Kick back homie…
Cerebus, kick back man, you’re getting angry for pointless reasons. In case you didn’t notice, Siu Lum Fighter already apologized, and stated that, for HIM, Northern Shaolin fits him better.
Sorry about dumping on WC and HG. They both can be quite effective in the right hands, they’re just not my thing.
That’s a direct quote from him.
By the way, I agree with Siu Lum that Bruce may have lost that fight (or perhaps a draw); none of us really know, and the ones who were there mostly say it was a draw. The only one that overzealously said it wasn’t a draw was Bruce’s wife, which is understandable. I think Bruce was a hell of a fighter; but he did brag sometimes and was known to be a bit arrogant.
I made a mistake on my last post. I typed it in haste so I omitted a key word. What I meant to say was:
I just thought I might add that this whole notion, that was perpetuated by Bruce, that high kicks have no place in real fighting is total bunkage.
So, in response to cerebus’s last post, I would like to reiterate my position on the matter and show that I do know a little something about BL and JKD. Bruce DID NOT believe that high kicks had any place in real fighting. It makes sense that he would feel this way since he was more enthusiastic about boxing and hand techniques when it came to actually fighting. He learned the high kicks for the movies.
Now, that was just his opinion, and since there’s much of what Bruce said that I personally don’t agree with, I don’t trust him on that one. Show me a good boxer in professional fighting and I’ll show you a good kicker who’s just as adept at winning fights (hence my pointing out Remy Bonjasky, a formidable fighter). I mean, God!! what a bunch of BS!! How can someone watch a Muay Thai fight and believe such nonsense. The person who whole heartedly believes this has never felt a roundhouse to the head or a side or heel kick to their torso or face.
Yep, I guess in the end it just comes down to personal preference. Different things work for different people. Anyway, we’re getting a bit off-topic now. Let’s make sure we stick to the main topic. 
Wong Jack Mans student get PM me!
ok, one of Wong Jack mans student, “B” you know who you are, this is frank, dino’s student, but i just heard from the chosen judge of the WJM and bruce lee fight, he was an official eye witness and he told us the story of what actually happened.
although i’m not going to repeat the story, but “B” Pm me or call my sifu and get my number and i will fill you in.
man, this texas trip is really a trip.
frank
Schools in downtown (or near) SF
I think this whole debate is going a little off the subject line of the thread! Anyway, fortunately I don’t know enough to reply either way.
But I do have a question…
Any good schools near downtown SF, where I am?
I’ve been doing some Tai Chi and am interested in something similar, but geared for fighting as well as health. I was considering 8 step mantis? Something flowing yet effective.
Anyone know of anything I should check out downtown San Francisco?
Thanks!
Steven