and that made me think back to an article Ross wrote for KungfuMag detailing the history of Lama kung fu and how it eventually broke off into Hop Gar White Crane and Lama Pai
anyway…my question was Wong Yan Lam was made the leader of 10 tigers of Guangdong after setting up a stage and defeating all challenges.
but…his kung fu brother (or actual?) was already a part of the 10 tigers before he returned to Guangdong.
Doesn’t them being of the same style and Wong Yan Lam being made the leader caused friction with his brother?
i know, but everyone likes to say their master was in the ten tigers. i read a site where it said that the southern mantis sifu, cheung yel chung? lam sangs teacher, was a ten tiger.
as far as i know, wong lam hoi wasnt in it. wong yan lum was #1 though.
The most reasonable assumption (I say assumption, because there is no hard evidence either way, just verbally transmitted info from different schools) is that they were classmates, no blood relation.
Our schools tradition states this clearly, but as I said…who really knows?
I personally believe they were classmates,…when you cross reference dates, places and other people, not to mention when each one was supposed to have been teaching/having students, there are several things that overlap and suggest that there was not adequate time to have the teacher student relationship, i.e., they were teaching simultaneously in different areas, etc.
Truth be told, we’ll never know for sure, but I have heard much more info to support the ‘classmate’ theory than any other one.
Our tradition states that our Si-Gung, Jyu Chuyhn, learned from each of them. Although it’s possible to learn from both teacher and student, I rely on my teacher’s info. He did learn from a person who actually would know.
most references ive seen written about wong lam hoi was provided by ng siu chung. i know that even lo wai keungs line has the teacher/student theory. it seems that lines tied with bak hok are the “go to” people for info about wong lam hoi, i guess it doesn’t really matter but yeah.
My white crane and hop ga teachers mentioned nothing about Wong Lam Hoi being in the Ten Tigers. He learned from the monk Sing Lung and also from his Si-hing Chiu Chi Yu and Wong Yan Lum. Wong Lam Hoi was a well established Lama Kyuhn teacher by the time Wong Yan Lum returned to Gwangdung and began teaching. I heard that they sometimes shared students.
Quentin Fong (White Crane) and Jeh Cheuk Tong a.k.a. Cheuk Tse (White Crane and Hop Ga) were my teachers, in San Francisco and Honolulu respectively. Anyone on the forum a brother or sister?
[QUOTE=jdhowland;750509]Quentin Fong (White Crane) and Jeh Cheuk Tong a.k.a. Cheuk Tse (White Crane and Hop Ga) were my teachers, in San Francisco and Honolulu respectively. Anyone on the forum a brother or sister?[/QUOTE]
I think you would be my Sisuk. If I have the timelines right you should know my Sifu, Steven Nacua. He’s trained with Sigung (Cheuk Tong Tse) since 1968.
Sounds right. Cheuk Tse was in Hawaii by 1969. I trained with him briefly in 1974, then got permission from Fong Sifu to move to Honolulu and train with him full time beginning in 1978. Cheuk taught things differently in his Honolulu classes on Republican Street and at the Nuuanu Chinese Community Center than he did in his classes on the other islands. He emphasized sets more in Honolulu. Students from the other islands were respected as good fighters even if they didn’t learn as many forms. I believe Nacua was part of both groups.
