Also, the 1 foot 8 inch square horse is correct..in today’s Imperial measurement.
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[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1036945]Why can’t you train in both?
The deception, accuracy and penetration of Buk Sing attacks and the brute force, smashing techniques of Thai Boxing make up a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful combination…
Brings tears to my eyes. 
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no reason why you cant…
but im referring to the style wars back in the day… muay thai kept destroying these chinese boxers, for the most part anyways, and the buk sing guys came along with the chinese banner and did very well… brought honor to the southern chinese styles after some setbacks in competition by other stylists… apparently lots of chinese boxers thought they could fight and found out the hard way that practicing against their own guys didnt really prepare them for the blunt brute force of muay thai… just what i heard… dunno how true it all is…
[QUOTE=Syn7;1037526]no reason why you cant…
but im referring to the style wars back in the day… muay thai kept destroying these chinese boxers, for the most part anyways, and the buk sing guys came along with the chinese banner and did very well… brought honor to the southern chinese styles after some setbacks in competition by other stylists… apparently lots of chinese boxers thought they could fight and found out the hard way that practicing against their own guys didnt really prepare them for the blunt brute force of muay thai… just what i heard… dunno how true it all is…[/QUOTE]
hey, I’ll ask around and see what I can find.
Regardless this has less to do with Stylistic failure and moreso the nature of the beast… Muay Thai fighters all fight professionally and train 6 hours a day.
Even the “hardcore” gungfu guys back in the day, mostly were NOT professional fighters of any kind. They were tough-as-nails, gritty street fighters who worked during the day and fought and trained hard at night. **** good fighters but not professional level, that’s another level.
Buksing is so **** effective because of the training method and how they are trying to evolve and constantly refine their fighting techniques.
Just the straight up conditioning of Muay Thai alone is enough to simply wade through most kung fu guys… taking full blow roundhouses to the body on the daily basis, fighting 300+ fights in their careers, training at the age of 5+, shins and bodies and elbows and knees hard as nails from all that bone clashing on bone.
You see professional Sanda fighters being able to go toe-to-toe with Muay Thai because they are also professionals and train just as hard.
Regards,
-V
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1037547]hey, I’ll ask around and see what I can find.
Regardless this has less to do with Stylistic failure and moreso the nature of the beast… Muay Thai fighters all fight professionally and train 6 hours a day.
Even the “hardcore” gungfu guys back in the day, mostly were NOT professional fighters of any kind. They were tough-as-nails, gritty street fighters who worked during the day and fought and trained hard at night. **** good fighters but not professional level, that’s another level.
Buksing is so **** effective because of the training method and how they are trying to evolve and constantly refine their fighting techniques.
Just the straight up conditioning of Muay Thai alone is enough to simply wade through most kung fu guys… taking full blow roundhouses to the body on the daily basis, fighting 300+ fights in their careers, training at the age of 5+, shins and bodies and elbows and knees hard as nails from all that bone clashing on bone.
You see professional Sanda fighters being able to go toe-to-toe with Muay Thai because they are also professionals and train just as hard.
Regards,
-V[/QUOTE]
yeah i think anyone in any style will be a better fighter if they spar with as many other styles as they can… the more different styles you find to train against, the better off you’ll be… generally speaking, of course…
i think alot of these guys only trained against their own guys and maybe didnt even spar all out… so when they were rushed by an aggressive muay thai attack they were overwhelmed… i see it all the time in my experiences… dudes show me all these great moves that work well when i do what they want me to do… then we spar and i use my own styles and they arent effective as they thought they were… its reality check, forsure… one that alot of MA stylists need to experience if they want to keep claiming their art is effective self defence in the street… you simply cant count on an attacker being a wreckless slugger that will be all predictable… grab ur collar, or take a wide swing or whatever else they train against… you need to as prepared as you can for anything… that means rounding out in your skills aswell as your sparring partners…
Muay Thai guy can just wait for the CMA dude (whatever style he did) to attack and engage… usually one clinch and a few knees is all it takes to drop someone who is not used to that intensity, pressure and level of pain.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1037557]Muay Thai guy can just wait for the CMA dude (whatever style he did) to attack and engage… usually one clinch and a few knees is all it takes to drop someone who is not used to that intensity, pressure and level of pain.[/QUOTE]
no doubt… with knees u crush right thru the defences of somebody who doesnt know how to break the plum… although if you trained for it, shortfist styles would have many many answers… its just about preparation… we agree… i dont know any longfist chinese boxing so i reserve judgement on that end…
[QUOTE=Syn7;1037558]no doubt… with knees u crush right thru the defences of somebody who doesnt know how to break the plum… although if you trained for it, shortfist styles would have many many answers… its just about preparation… we agree… i dont know any longfist chinese boxing so i reserve judgement on that end…[/QUOTE]
We go back in a circle about the training method. The short fist style, long fist style, doesn’t matter… CLF or Bajiquan or Xingyi or Bak Mei, doesn’t matter… no matter how good it is the fighter would also need to match the Thai boxer in question’s training regimen… or exceed it. They would need the body conditioning, the bone conditioning, and the level of cardio and energy required to go toe-to-toe, or at least hold his own. If you can dedicate to practicing 6+ hours a day 6 days a week of even zero form training and just HITTING AND HITTING AND HITTING bags, people, pads, more bags, more people, more pads… it’s a vicious and repetitive cycle but that’s what is needed to breed an ELITE fighter.
Muay Thai is like the battering ram of martial art styles, basically. Not many styles or people can go toe-to-toe and win in an even exchange, if it is a matter of exchanging blow for blow or a matter of toughing it out. You have to use your skills and movement and you can’t trade… if you start trading (which is what I assumed most CMA guys did because they can’t fight for one, and when they do it’s just wild streetfighting aggressive stuff), you’re ****ed.
Yet another reason many Bak Sing players were proven fighters…they fought! There is the endless drilling of basics, concentration on 2 person training and fighting/free sparring. There are patterns but they are for a purpose and the emphasis isn’t on the amount of patterns, rather what one can find in them. And what can be found needs not more than 5 patterns at max.
In turn, each Bak Sing player turned the premise of the style into their own interpretation, but always of the same foundation…building blocks or blue print of lessons learned and ideas proven in the kwoon and on the streets and rooftops.
We look similar and yet are unique. There is a bond we all share through endless days and nights of blood and sweat; the days and weeks turning to years and decades. There is a bond all Bak Sing players share…you may notice it, but you will not understand it. You may be told but you will soon forget. This bond is what makes us better than all our opponents when the bell tolls~and yes..we are better than most!
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I read that Lai Hung’s saga of tournament/combat sport fighting back in his prime in Southeast Asia was against Thai boxers quite often.
And Lai Hung always have the utmost respect for their fighting style and ability.
Also, Lai Hung stated that most CMA guys, even the tough street fighters would not necessarily be able to win because they are mostly people that have lives, jobs, work, and cannot train 7 hours a day 6 days a week like professional fighters, and THAT he said, can cause a gap in skill/endurance/etc when it comes to a recreational fighter vs. professional fighter.
Chan Sau Chung’s tai sing pek kwar guys had a well documented match with Muay Thai figthers in the 70s or early 80s and did rather well. I think they split several bouts if I recall correctly.
Tai Shing Pek Gwar is the southern derivative of Northern Pek Gwar/Piguazhang correct?
No it is a northern system that combines the Tai Sing (Monkey) with Pek Kwar (Axe Fist). The system was created by Ken Dak Hoi. The majority of the sets are from the Pek Kwar system but for some reason the monkey sets always stand out becuase Chan Sifu was very famous for them.
..you are pitting professional fighters against non-professional fighters. Not the same bag-o-****. What’s the chance of running into a professional fighter in the parking lot of Walmart at 8 pm Friday when for some reason I’m mixing it up with my fists? Get Real. Your perspectives are f’d. I’m more than likely going to run into a fat slob of a moron who isn’t getting much at home or he’s just po’d that I beat him to the parking spot closer to the doors by 30 seconds and now he’s lipping off - then I choose whether it is worth it or not. Or some youth who has something to prove cuz I told him to F off after he cut me off…you know..road rage. Prof fighter? lol Get Real.
..if I do mix it up? Am I going to have to fight for 3, 2 minute rounds? MOre than likely he pulls a knife or a tire iron. Do I really have to worry my a$$ over the professional fighter to make my gung fu more real or valid? Get Real. When it does happen, it’s fast and hard and over quick. Either I’m standing or he’s standing. That’s Real.
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I agree with nospam to compare any type of professional fighter to someone who has a normal job and trains recreationally even if they spar a lot is not apples to apples.
..nor pecan pie to meat pie :
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[QUOTE=nospam;1038899]..you are pitting professional fighters against non-professional fighters. Not the same bag-o-****. What’s the chance of running into a professional fighter in the parking lot of Walmart at 8 pm Friday when for some reason I’m mixing it up with my fists? Get Real. Your perspectives are f’d. I’m more than likely going to run into a fat slob of a moron who isn’t getting much at home or he’s just po’d that I beat him to the parking spot closer to the doors by 30 seconds and now he’s lipping off - then I choose whether it is worth it or not. Or some youth who has something to prove cuz I told him to F off after he cut me off…you know..road rage. Prof fighter? lol Get Real.
..if I do mix it up? Am I going to have to fight for 3, 2 minute rounds? MOre than likely he pulls a knife or a tire iron. Do I really have to worry my a$$ over the professional fighter to make my gung fu more real or valid? Get Real. When it does happen, it’s fast and hard and over quick. Either I’m standing or he’s standing. That’s Real.
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relax, I was pointing out to why a lot of CMA guys lots to fighters from Thailand. The Thai guys did this sh1t for a living while CMA guys were recreational.
a lot of CMA guys were also pretty **** arrogant always claiming they can beat this and that. with the training methods that most used, they didn’t stand a chance against the people with more scientific/practical training methods.
NO YOU DON’T HAVE TO COMPETE WITH A PRO FIGHTER TO LEARN HOW TO FIGHT.
why are you arguing with me i’m not even refuting anything you said .
..cuz I felt like it.
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[QUOTE=nospam;1039081]..cuz I felt like it.
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Wow… such a tough man. Who have you ever try your skills on anyway. You have had any real fight nospam :eek::rolleyes:
Truly do the clips you see from LABSCLF really look scary? ummm no. People wear protection vest and even move head out of way and be shy when they attack :rolleyes:
other BSCLF and HSCLF youtube more convincing
A shining example of one that has not experienced a Bak Sing fighter. Most people don’t know how to react..can not react fast enough..when someone with even intermediate Bak Sing skill attacks.
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[QUOTE=Monkey Magic;1039123]Wow… such a tough man. Who have you ever try your skills on anyway. You have had any real fight nospam :eek::rolleyes:
Truly do the clips you see from LABSCLF really look scary? ummm no. People wear protection vest and even move head out of way and be shy when they attack :rolleyes:
other BSCLF and HSCLF youtube more convincing[/QUOTE]
And what scary style do you do?