In one of the posts on forms someone said;
“Bak Sing Choy Lee Fut has about 5 sets, Hung Sing close to or more than 100”
is there any conceptual difference between
the two? i think we have one of the head
guys up in sydney (bak sing clf?) i remember
he inherited the ‘name’ for the kwoon or something.
why does one version have 5 and one many more?
what other differences round out the two versions of CLF?
Looking For Info on the Buk Sing Style of Choy Lay Fut
Sorry for the repeat information from my previous topic, but I wasn’t sure if anyone would have seen the original inquiry. But I have studied Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut for many years, and I have until recently attempted to gather as much information on this relatively young and rare branch of Choy Lay Fut. So I am interested in any input from anyone who has ever trained in this system, and/or has any information in regards to it, that they would like to share.
Nope
why?it’s crap!
Crap?
Sui-fool,
Care to elaborate?
Nope
no
No?
Well that shouldn’t surprise me seeing that your insights to Martial Arts are as about as indepth as your profile states…“nada”
Nope
Last I checked, there was only one style of CLF.
Peace,
Zen_celt
Lacey Brothers
The Lacey Brothers from Down Under (Dave and Vince) are fantastic fighters and Shane is a chip off the old block. They have impeccable lineage and Buk Sing is a very effective branch of CLF. Stylistic variation is just a storm in a tea cup. Go check them out, you will not be disappointed.
Joseph
Joseph
You are absolutley right about them…no question, they are the real deal. I have witnessed the execution of their techniques, and their is no doubt that there is the elemental form of typical Choy Lay Fut style, but there is also quite a variance with other techniques that had made the Buk Sing branch quite unique and without doubt a fighting art.
I am curios to know if you study Buk Sing or Hung Sing? And also, if you are familiar with a man named Lun Tse who lives in Alberta, Canada?
Nope
Nope
I have not done any Bak Sing but they are from the same root, so I am familiar with some of their techniques which are simple and direct and very effective in fighting.
Lun Tse was one of Tam Sam’s “inner chamber” disciples, he started to learn when he was 14. He lived in Hong Kong for a long time and went to Canada in 1979. I am happy to hear that he is still alive and teaching (?). He would be in his late 80s and early 90s now. If you have a chance to see him, go for it, before these colourful old timers all pass away.
I wonder if any of his students or disciples carried on his teaching in Canada.
Jose
Lung Gee..
I’m not so sure he is teaching, that I would highly doubt. He had attended at least one tournament back in the late 80’s that I recall in Saskatchewan, Canada.
I’m from his lineage. Although I have not had any contact with him.
nospam.
bak sil lum
i am curious, which of the bak sil lum forms are practiced in bak sing choy li fut and at what level in training are they taught? i have seen some of Vince Lacey’s students doing Tun Da(#6) and Moi Fa(#7).
Depends on one’s lineage. So it will vary from none to all 10.
Bak Sil Lum
My lineage of Buk Sing system does not have any sets that are innately “Bak Sil Lum.” we do have an internal set that exemplifies Iron Palm though. But when seen executed, it does have a “Hung Gar” flavor to it.
I am curious though as to what you have seen from the Lacey’s. Were the Tun Da and Moi Fa set the same (or similar) to your training in the Bak Sil Lum style? I was of the opiinion that their sets would be more closely Hung Sing, by nature of the name title of their sets (i.e. Siu Moi Fa, Kou Da, Ping Kuen, Sub Tse Kuen, Chueng Kuen)…?
Nope
Tam Sam was a friend of Kuo Yu Chong. He incorporated Bak Sil Lum kicks into the Choy Li Fut system. Then called the new branch Bak Sing (north wind). Do you mean Lung Tse Hsiang? He was a student of both Kuo’s and Tam’s. He is trained in both styles. I didn’t know he was still alive though. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those guys do Bak Sil Lum sets, as many were students of both Kuo’s and Tam’s, they exchanged students.
Lung Tzu Hsiang
Shaolin Knight,
Sifu Lung Tzu Hsiang passed away at an early age in 1951. His son is still in HK and has a web-site at www.members.tripod.com/kaimen.
I know that, but one guy that posted on here seems to think he is alive. He is mistaking him for a man in Canada.
Shaolin_Knight
According to Lacey’s web-site they mention a “Lung Tse Cheung” under their lineage text link that also has a picture. The same picture can be found in Lai Hung’s web-site and he spells the name “Hsiang.” Here is the link to Lai Hung’s history with the pic of “Lung Tze-Hsiang.”
http://www.htai.com/kungfu/laihung.html
I don’t doubt that they probably do practice some Buk Sil Lum sets in their system, but indicative to their branch, they make no mention of any sets as far and as little as I know concerning them. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t of course know any…
Nope
Lung Tse-Cheung
Lung did studied CLF with Tarm Sarm. His first teacher was Ku Yu-Jiang (I am not sure about his spelling, but it is the skinny guy you often see in an old photo breaking up a stack of bricks). At that time, Ku and Tarm were good friends, they often exchanbe techniques and students. Lung was a keen student, so he got to study with both of them in Northern Shaolin and CLF. He later became quite a famous teacher on his own right. Naturally, students from his lineage would have some NS mixed up with the BS CLF stuff.
Joseph