[QUOTE=golden arhat;772323]chinese martial arts probably worked alot better in the past when it was alot less formalised less about forms etc
the techniques in cma should work in heory but without proper training in there use u can only dance with them
i practise mma/valetudo cos “right now” that what works
in 400 years it will probably look alot like cma
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I don’t know. I definately don’t agree with that last sentence. As long as there’s a venue where MA practitioners can compete regularly, the mythologized version of MA will not propagate itself, or even survive. So long as there’s full contact tournaments where martial artists actually have to apply their art martially :eek:, there won’t be room for the “Let me now show you how to rip a man’s head off using only your pinkie finger” kind of mentality.
The reason we’re seeing this kind of “revolution” in martial thinking, is because in the past it was either illegal or taboo to fight full contact in professional venues. I don’t think it’ll ever be a purely gladatorial venue–hopefully, anyways–so as long as it isn’t declared illegal, or lose publicity and funding, it will survive.
My problem with your first sentence is this: The reason all those stand-up martial artists lose to BJJ is because they lack a progressive mentality. Theirs is purely reactive.
BJJ=progressive: attack, take to ground, attack some more
CMA=wait for opening, attack, attack some more, wait for more openings
MMA=attack without over-stressing openings you create, just force the opponent to defend, take to ground, attack, if he gets up, attack.
In CMA, you don’t train to take someone out. You train not to get taken out. But in a fight where someone is trying to hurt you badly, if you do not have the same dedication (meaning, if you don’t want to seriously hurt him badly, more so than he wants to destroy you), you’re going to lose.
I’ve seen all those videos. Never, in any of them, did the stand-up fighters throw more than four strikes, if any at all, before being grounded and taken out. They did not have the same dedication or mindset.
- They’re defending their martial tradition, not attacking another.
- They’re defending their position, not attacking another’s.
- They’re defending themselves, not attacking another.
And in traditional martial arts, if you aren’t willing to strike first, don’t be surprised if you get hit. Plus, the BJJ guys don’t throw strikes to start the matches, so the strikers are immediately out of their element. They only train against other strikers.
Striking can work against groundfighters. Look at Lidell, Silva, Crocop.
But they’re all mean-muggin’ mofos, who’ll KFO you if you get within ten feet of them in the ring.
It’s the mentality of their fighting spirit, if you will. They’ve got that fighter’s heart.