Since you’re evaluating your SD kicks to see if they fit Karate or Kung Fu I’d like to ask a question. Does SD do any front kicks with the toes pulled back hitting with the ball of the foot?
That, to me, is distinctly Karate. From what I’ve seen Kung Fu always points the toe or pulls foot back and hits with heel.
Hmmmm no, you are describing a snap kick with the ball of the foot which is common in kung fu especially in northern styles.
The toe pointed kicks are upward hitting, I.E. groin or lowered head . hitting with the instep(shoelace).
The snap kick is more of a forward thrust and the heel kick is a forward and upward angle strike.
yeah, what abel said.
yeah, what sevenstar said, about me.
Toe kicks is the shiznat. I like aiming for the inner thigh, groin, and that space between the groin and the anus.
Wioth the toe kick, I mean.
You all hit the nail on the head: I’m taught all three foot positions on front kicks depending on the target and the type of kick.
Round kicks are the same way, but I usually kick with the top part of my foot for the reach and because I train in shoes.
Abel, With your round kick being thrown rear-legged but with a chambered snap action what’s the defense for the groin/center line counter during the kicking motion? Speed? Chambered knee block prior to the snap? Timing?
Another general question: Some styles, when throwing a front kick, chamber the kick, extend/snap/push out, and then re-chamber the kick either for another kick or for a step (like Abel does in his clip with the round-kick). Other styles, like the Pong Lai group or the form diagram that MK posted, extend/snap/push the kick out, and then let the leg step to the ground. The only kick I do this way is my front-thrust kick. Why the difference in stepping down vs. re-chambering?
We use that kick front leg, back leg or sidestep. Either way its the setup that counts. In action I’m going to get you going before I throw that kick.
We don’t like to leave the leg out. Its easier to balance and continue when you retrieve the leg quickly. leaving it out to the floor could literally place it in your opponwents hands.
Originally posted by SifuAbel
We use that kick front leg, back leg or sidestep. Either way its the setup that counts. In action I’m going to get you going before I throw that kick.
We do too, but when I’m sparring a really good fighter I’ve been hit with a centerline attack before I could get the rear leg around. I suppose that means my method of opening the door wasn’t good enough to throw that particular kick at that moment, but I usually find that kick harder to counter from a front leg. If it’s thrown from a rear leg, then a MT type kick seems more effective, IMO.
then you used it at the wrong time.
Like I said, I’m going to get you moving before I throw that hit, IE I’m going to use it as part of a greater strategy and not just by itself as a first technique.
Alot of people use the “horse mount” method for the round kick. bringing the knee around from the side.
Ideally, we don’t bring that “around” we tuck tight in a forward position then with the pivot we fire.
It does tend to create a different feel.
My video is flawed that you can’t see the knee lift with my back turned toward the camera, sorry.
Yeah we bring the leg up and forward to a chambered position first too. I noticed that you turned your plant foot out before bringing you leg up. I think that I pivot my foot as my kick is extending.
But, I have horrible hip flexibility too so my round-kick isn’t near as nice in form or power as yours.
Guess it’s just me but I don’t recall seeing any front snap kicks in any KF I’ve seen and it isn’t in any KF set that I know.
I have seen it extensively in Karate.
Back in my Karate days we the roundhouse kick always came at the end of a series of attacks. Starting off with it usually hurts in the groin area.
And we always bring the foot back in for balance and to prevent opponent from grabbing it and taking out you standing leg.
we do too. But the ground there was rocky and grassy so I had to adjust.
its everwhere in northern sets.
Originally posted by Vash
[B]Toe kicks is the shiznat. I like aiming for the inner thigh, groin, and that space between the groin and the anus.
Wioth the toe kick, I mean. [/B]
Taint kicker!
Originally posted by Hua Lin Laoshi
[B]Guess it’s just me but I don’t recall seeing any front snap kicks in any KF I’ve seen and it isn’t in any KF set that I know.
I have seen it extensively in Karate.
Back in my Karate days we the roundhouse kick always came at the end of a series of attacks. Starting off with it usually hurts in the groin area.
And we always bring the foot back in for balance and to prevent opponent from grabbing it and taking out you standing leg. [/B]
We do front snap kicks in (Minor) Hong, Shaolin. The kicking your hand represents grabbing someones head and smashing their jaw/face.
Originally posted by PangQuan
We do front snap kicks in (Minor) Hong, Shaolin. The kicking your hand represents grabbing someones head and smashing their jaw/face.
I was working on a form last night that taught this very application.
You are all talking about pulling the toes back and hitting with the ball of the foot right?
I don’t do that in the few Shaolin sets I have either. I haven’t seen it in any Northern Mantis or Eagle Claw. Can someone point me to a video of a KF set with this kick?
Wah Lum does the head grab and kick too. All our toe kicks have toes pointed though.
All of my kick are done with the toes flat making contact with top of the foot, or with the foot pulled back and making contact with the heel. I haven’t seen a KF kick like that either…
It seems like something that would only matter if you were barefoot.
Originally posted by MasterKiller
[B]All of my kick are done with the toes flat making contact with top of the foot, or with the foot pulled back and making contact with the heel. I haven’t seen a KF kick like that either…
It seems like something that would only matter if you were barefoot. [/B]
You are right. . . . it only matters if you are barefoot since the shoes provide stability and support to the toes. I wear shoes and either point my toes when I kick or kick with my heel. If I sparred barefoot, I would pull my toes back and hit with the ball as it’s safer for the toes.
Originally posted by FatherDog
Taint kicker!
I’ve been called worse.
See, I have a tendency to step on the opponent’s lead foot, then crescent step into their space.
As for delivery of a forward kick, I like this method: using 1/2 a crescent step (so the feet end up together) kick from that position. I like that the step takes on off-line, making it easier for a snap kick to land without fear of striking into the opponent’s leg prematurely.