I have three questions regarding kicking:
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?
(2) how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks?
(3) How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)?
Wah Lum fits the description although we have a weird kind of a side kick. More like a straight heel kick to the side. Hard to explain. Ask the ex-WL guys you know next time you see them.
Re: Kung fu Kicking questions
Originally posted by Judge Pen
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?
When I was training long fist, we did. I’ve always personally hated the side edge of the foot variety.
b how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks?[/b]
I’ve never seen a non-cma school that does this.
b How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)? [/B]
in thai boxing, we do leg block-hit. In the movie ong bak, there was a technique where he kneed and punched the guy simultaneously.
kali will knee-hit as well.
FYI,
The move JP is talking about is shown here (3rd move).
Yep, that’s it. Either palm down or palm up with the hit.
Side-kick: Any other than WL and Long-fist?
Re: Kung fu Kicking questions
Originally posted by Judge Pen
[B]I have three questions regarding kicking:
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?
(2) how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks?
(3) How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)? [/B]
as HLL said… they do & I’ve seen it in their sets.
TKD that use pyang-ahn forms (#5), Shotokan Heian #5, Kanku-dai, I’ve seen it in Goju-ryu in one set
Haven’t seen that per se with what you’re talking specifically.
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?
Not sure. I use the heel, and I wasn’t corrected when I took a bit of TKD(never went past white belt though), and the only other non-CMA lessons I took was from a guy claiming to teach CMA(when in fact he didn’t).
(2) how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks?
Haven’t seen any yet(other than the fake guy I mentioned before ;)).
(3) How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)?
I only remember seeing that specific combo in chang quan styles. In TKD I’ve seen both kick and hand strike a couple times(usually with the same hand & foot though, except for a certain jump kick). The big difference I’ve seen is the chang quan people tend to not pull the kick back after throwing it… instead it usually flows straight into another technique in that direction a lot of times.
Funny thing about Karate and simultaneous kicking and punching.
Long time ago I took a Dillman seminar and he commented that NOBODY kicks and punches at the same time. The Karate BB all laughed at how silly it was to do something like that.
Wah Lum does that in one of the beginner sets (Little Open Gate). I was tempted to say something but didn’t.
WL also does same side hand and kick attacks.
Re: Kung fu Kicking questions
Originally posted by Judge Pen
I have three questions regarding kicking:
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?
All of them.
(2) how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks?
This is the same question as 3. I don’t know how many non-kung fu styles do this in their forms, but when you see this in a form, it represents hitting or opening up your opponent or just hiding his eyes from seeing your kick coming.
(3) How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)?
It is a popular saying in CMA that if you want to use the leg, first show the hand, if you want to use the hand, first use the leg. In other words, kicking your opponent in the shin will take his attention away from your intended hand technique. Or versa/vica, when your opponent rises his hands to block a punch in the face there will be an opening for your kick. People that don’t understand this are weak fighters. That said, all the other styles I have seen have this, but sometimes it’s not understood at first. Sometimes it’s never understood. That goes for Chinese stylists too.
Hua Lin Laoshi, does your “little open gate” form translate as Shao Kai Men? That is the first form in our bagua system, but the gate might refer to something different than your opponents gates. It specifically refers to the “ming men”. Small gate in the back.
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Originally posted by sean_stonehart
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I forgot about that. In heian yondan, there is the sidekick/backfist. it’s the same side hand and leg though, not opposite.
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Originally posted by SevenStar
I forgot about that. In heian yondan, there is the sidekick/backfist. it’s the same side hand and leg though, not opposite.
True true I’d forgot about that.
I was talking more about the inside crescent kick/hand slap. In #5 you do that R leg inside crescent kick/pivot 180 degrees to R elbow smash/backfist combo
Then there’s that one kata in Shotokan & other like arts where you do a R leg inside crescent kick into a full spin down into a crouch on the floor. That always looked cool to me.
Re: Kung fu Kicking questions
Originally posted by Judge Pen
[B]I have three questions regarding kicking:
(1) how many kung fu styles include a side thrust kick (striking target is the heel of the foot and not the side edge of the foot)?[/b]
I ain’t kung fu, but I practicemy side kick like this. However, I have my foot angled so it looks like kicking with the blade, but the striking surface is the heel. I tend to go into the ribgs or thigh with it.
b how many non-kung fu styles kick their hand with certain crecent and front kicks? [/b]
We do this in Kusanku. I tend to interpret this as grabbing the shirt and scissoring the legs.
b How many non-kung fu styles use a hit-kick (puncing and kicking at the same time; usually opposite hand and foot)? [/B]
We do, but not with opposite hand/foot. In Kusanku, tends to be on the same side.
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Originally posted by sean_stonehart
Then there’s that one kata in Shotokan & other like arts where you do a R leg inside crescent kick into a full spin down into a crouch on the floor. That always looked cool to me.
Kusanku, Kushankun, et al. I’m not sure of the Shotokan branches name for the set.
It’s good for a takedown into an armbar.
good research JP…
I was wondering if I was taught to kick like a karate person, a TKD person, or a kung fu person. The way I described these kicks are the way I was first taught to kick 15 years ago.
I’m seeing some overlap into karate and TKD, but only in specific forms. These techniques are found throughout the basic material that I have.
Originally posted by Judge Pen
I was wondering if I was taught to kick like a karate person, a TKD person, or a kung fu person. The way I described these kicks are the way I was first taught to kick 15 years ago.
You’ve got a mix there young Padawan…
Originally posted by Judge Pen
I’m seeing some overlap into karate and TKD, but only in specific forms. These techniques are found throughout the basic material that I have.
Remember though that Japanese karate kicks with both the heel & the blade of the foot. Korean primarily uses the heel & most Okinawan I’ve seen prefers the blade.
Originally posted by sean_stonehart
Remember though that Japanese karate kicks with both the heel & the blade of the foot. Korean primarily uses the heel & most Okinawan I’ve seen prefers the blade.
From what I’ve been able to find, Okinawan kicks tend to turn the foot into a “bladed” position, but kick with the heal. The turning in of the foot facilitates a faster movement with side and forward-angled kicks.
Originally posted by Vash
From what I’ve been able to find, Okinawan kicks tend to turn the foot into a “bladed” position, but kick with the heal. The turning in of the foot facilitates a faster movement with side and forward-angled kicks.
I’ll buy that. I’ve only seen Okinawan stuff… never played it much. Tried Isshinryu when I was 11 or 12… didn’t like it compared to the TKD I was doing at the time.
I’ve got the video put out by Goju-ryu’s Higaonna Sensei. He kicks like you described in a definate downward thrust/scrape motion.
That sounds like the “returning wave” kick. I like that for in-fighting.
Personally, i don’t like any of the Isshinryu kicks to be done outside of arm’s length. That way, i have some measure of control, safety.
not exactly on topic I just thought I’d share.