Your kidding right?
Just becuse he was small makes no difference. It is not the size that matters but the idea of attempting to strike someone you couldnt hit, If you cannot hit him you would not be succsesful in any attempt.
Yosheiba was 5’2 140lbs do you think you could have taken him too?
Try catching a rabbit with mittens on you’lll have better luck.
Jason DeLucia was a red sash five animal kung fu artist that fought in 3 UFCs losing two of the three to “pure” BJJ artists.
He fought in UFC 1 & 2 which were the UFCs with the least amount of rules.
The funny thing is that Jason fought Royce in a Gracie challenge match two years before the first UFC (Gracie In Action) and got beat pretty badly a couple of times. He went into the first UFC having trained for two years in BJJ so he knew what to expect.
David Levicki, a 6’5 280 lbs wing chun fighter fought in the UFCII preliminaries against Johnny Rhodes, a 39 year old 6’0 210 lbs. shorin ji ryu black belt. Levicki tapped due to blood in the eyes. (he couldnt see).
Levicky also fought Rickson in Japan and lost, of course.
Earth, you know he didn’t win UFC 6 or 7; he won alternate matches in each. His record since then though had been less than stellar losing his last 3 by submission. I’m still trying to find more info about the “low mantis” techniques we discussed before, it’s very difficult to find.
As for other Kung Fu UFC competitiors
David Levicki (WING CHUN) - Loss UFC 2 (Rhodes)
Scott Baker (WING CHUN KUNG FU) - Loss UFC 2 (Delucia)
Jason Delucia (FIVE ANIMAL KUNG FU) - Won UFC 2 (Baker) , Loss UFC 2 (Gracie)
Felix Lee Mitchell (SHAOLIN KUNG FU) - Loss UFC 3 (Shamrock)
Asbel Cansio (WING CHUN) - Loss UFC 6 (Benetau)
Reza Nasri (Ving Tsun) - Loss UFC 11 (Johnston)
Why are you responding to a troll?
Continually mispelling people’s names when the easy spelling is right there in front of you is a troll tactic, and is also very reminiscent to a certain troll we all came to love, don’t you think?
Ryu
Boxerchick, a little advice: if you don’t know what you are talking about, maybe think about having a little respect before you say these kinds of things, ok?
The guy’s name is Yip Man, and he basically consolidated and refined a particular style of kung fu. The generic term in pidgin for CMA is “Kung Fu” or “Gung Fu”, not “kung fuey”. Not all asians are “little dudes”, and even a small person can be a formidable fighter. Yip Man took down all kinds of people in his life, read more about him if you are really interested. The pictures you see are of him as a very old man, and he could still kick @ss.
And oh, spar against someone who has been doing wing chun for 4 or 5 years and then come back and tell us how badly you could have beaten that little old man who did it for like 60 years. You are seeing only what you want to see, not understanding the principles or the art. Wing Chun is not about fighting power with power (something boxers train to do). Don’t be making up your mind about something based on the pictures you see in a book and the prejudgements in your own mind.
Jas,
I wouldn’t waste my breath. BoxerChick = troll
Ryu
Jasbourne,
Sorry to P.O. you girl, but it made sense to me.
If there is not proof that someone could fight, then it is true that anyone on this forum could beat them.
Where can I find records of old yips fights?
Thats all I am saying.
We have proof and records that some people in the past, like say John Sullivan was a badass.
All we have are other kung fueys saying this old master was bad…and if you look in any kung fuey or karate magazine you can find dozens of hokey con men claiming to be badasses and claiming imaginary fight records that no one can prove.
Nothing against wing chun…it looks pretty cool compared to other styles, but I just think that just because someone was a great kung fuer like yip must have been doesnt make them a good fighter.
and whos this Ryu who is calling me a troll?
I look nothing like a troll and at least I dont idolize some
video game character…real mature.
Wing chun is not about Yip Man, anymore than boxing is about John Sullivan. Yip’s life is well documented, do the homework if you are truly interested in him. Go to a school if you truly want to see how the style works.
Ryu is just about the nicest guy you will ever meet online, and he’s been respectfully coming to this board for years. He is a grappler interested in the CMA, and brings a lot of wisdom and knowledge to everyone here.
Thanks Jas. I’ll have to add that it’s respectable people like you that keep my interests in CMA and this board, up.
BoxerChick, I’m guessing you said something about me or to me, but don’t bother because I won’t be able to see your posts through the ignore function.
Have a nice day. 
Ryu
Arch angel
You are correct , I should have specified that they were alternate bouts. however my point was simply to explain to the thread starter that the UFC has had sucsseful kung fu practioners that have won even in the alternative bouts.
ryu dont worry your head freind we all love ya
Jas bourne great advice to boxer chik
Boxer chik take the advice.
everyone else keep smiling
hmm
boxer chick , quick speaking with your A$$hole, try using your mouth.. stupid troll.
Anyways, onto the topic. I only watch pride, barely ever watch UFC. From what i’ve noticed, the guys outside of BJJ seem like they’re not neccessarily the best in their system. Because they’re systems aren’t usually geared towards pride or UFC. BJJ seems more geared towards UFC and pride. Grappling arts in general are geared towards UFC and pride. I was watching a few pride fights, and the Muay thai fighters couldn’t even do roundhouse kicks correct. I mean,…c’mon, are they really representing the ideal of what type of fighter their system would produce? no.
The ppl in those things outside of BJJ are not the best , they’re more in it for personal gain, fun, $, fame, etc etc etc..
Unfortunately no really experienced kung fu guy’s have entered, but whatever, keep the art real. it’s all good.
over sight on the UFC
Perhaps the bigget over look in the UFC is partially becuse it was geared around rules which were made up of the board of directors most of which are gracies or retired BJJ sport referee’s.
My point is if something is arranged to favor one thing or another statisticlly it will end up in that favor..
i.e the UFC rules state that when one shoots in and the fighters go to the ground that fight should not be stopped. Obviously this would favor ground fighting tatics. While very few kung fu stlyes have ground fighting techniques this would not be obtimal for stand up type styles.
Now turn things around, if the rules stated that once a fighter shoots and gains control and they hit the ground they must stand up and start over. tis would leave BJJ in the losing bracket ever time.
You see if the set up is bias over one or more aspect than the outcome is not properly judged, which is why so many uneducated/ untrained people have flocked to the BJJ schools with thoughts of superiority in their heads over that of kung fu or other stand up type arts. Kung fu practioners know the diffrence but when you ask a BJJ guy they always reffer to that UFC analogy…
If we made a rule that didint allow sumo wrestlers to use their weight or their hands what who become of sumo?
I think with the diversity of the martial arts in general you cannot expect for them all to come together and play by a standardised set of rules.
As I have pointed out those rules would evedently favor one or the other of any style, but the end result would not and could not be fairly judged…
I’m with Ryu and CrushingFist on this one. Only way to settle the my style is better than yours issue is to have the best practitioners from each art go at it with no rules at all, but thats not going to happen for obvious reasons, we’re not barbarians. But, even then i dont think it would settle anything. In order to make a statistic you would need to have dozens of fights and not just one or 2. If i’m remembering correctly, competitors practicing “Combat” Wrestling are having major success against Brazilian “wrestlers”. Is that gonna become the new craze. I bet in a year wrestlers are gonna come out of nowhere claiming to practice the ultimate style. After all Wrestling beats BJJ which beats Muay Thai which beats Kung Fu which beats Karate which beats Boxing…
I really disagree with your premise hear Earth Dragon.
“i.e the UFC rules state that when one shoots in and the fighters go to the ground that fight should not be stopped. Obviously this would favor ground fighting tatics. While very few kung fu stlyes have ground fighting techniques this would not be obtimal for stand up type styles.”
In this example Kung Fu is being limited by it’s own TRAINING METHODS AND PRINCIPLES, NOT BY THE RULES.
“Now turn things around, if the rules stated that once a fighter shoots and gains control and they hit the ground they must stand up and start over. tis would leave BJJ in the losing bracket ever time.”
In this example, BJJ and other grappling arts are being limited by THE RULES AND NOT THERE STYLES.
There is a HUGE difference here.
In response to the poster’s question, Joel Sutton and Jason DeLucia were both kung fu stylists. Fred Ettish, however, was not, I believe he was kempo, but I’m not sure.
Wasn’t Fred Ettish that “Fetal Fighting” guy? You know, drop on the ground, curl up like a newborn an flail?? Unbelievably comical stuff. How the heck did he survive a UFC bout (or did he)?
“Fetal Fighting - Combat for Your Inner Child”
He survived his UFC bout by curling into a little ball on the floor while Johnny Rhodes beat the s.hit out of him.
He showed a lot of heart, though. He took a lot of punishment without tapping.
Archangel
Your response was exactly my point! did you not see what I was getting at? or possilbly I did not expalin myself clearly. Or you didnt understand my meaning set by my (imaginary sceneirio)
The whole point of my post was to state that the rules and restrictions of the UFC cannot treat every style fairly. And it is becuse of those rules that all styles cannot be judged fairly.
So based on your post you said the same things that I did but yet you started with I do not agree???
If the UFC says its ok to go to the ground than ground fighting stlyes will be favored. If they state that you cannot go to the ground then stand up stlyes will be favored.
So the last thing you said was their is a huge difference. That is exactly what I said by stating that the rules make the differnece.
What do you not agree with?
Amazing.