Whyzyrd,
What do you think of the discussion on the five animals so far?
Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
lion
I’m learning a rare lion nan chuan form. Now I’ll have six animals. Anyone else know any lion?
dooder
Not What I would call a complete form of Loin. How’s about telling, what does Loin represent to you? What does Lion mean in realtion to fighting (ie combat) as well as in the way you “think” during your training? What kinds of emotions does Loin represent to you? etc, etc, etc…that would Kinda keep it on topic (in principle at least).
Original school Pa Kua has a Lion thingie in it.
Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
does know…
I agree with No_Know’s description of the 5 Animals. The Choy Lay Fut description was lacking something. Sorry I was hard on you before, No_Know, I know where you’re coming from now.
Watch out for the Jabberwocky—mimsy where the burrow goves! “Most of you fools ain’t got no clue as to the devious nature of the beast that’s after you…”
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For the sincere, there are no hard feelings~
John, Jack~, perhaps Mr. F. Springer…There seem to be a lot of respectable people/well positioned people in these forums.
You and Fu-Pow have indicated that you all keep quality company. The company you keep might speak well of y’all’s character.
“In order to assign some characteristic to something, e.g., your well developed 5 Animals model, the internal frame of reference must be present in the viewer.”
Whyzyrd, might be interested to hear that well developed model which you just mentioned in the previous quote, as THAT pertains to the origins of this thread.
“So back to the original question. One thing that is not clear in the animal conception of kung fu is which came first the “animal” or the technique.”
I think that I might not understand the relationship you present here. What do those two things matter relevant to each other? In what ways are you pointing out that they relate to one another?
" There are many stories of Shaolin monks copying the movements of animals in order to improve their kung fu. However, it is more likely that the names of the movements were created then it was noticed that the movements resembled those of animals. Actually, it is probably a little of both. "
It seems that you’ve said the movement was named after an animal. And that later it was mere coincidence that the technique with the particular animal’s name looked like the animal.
Very some such, perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
lion
I’m still just starting the lion form but it involves a lot of feirce stares and pretty high stances compared to other nan chaun. It uses a lot of knuckle rapping techniques. Its new to me so I’m still getting a feel for the fighting of it. It should be fun to mix it in with leopard and tiger.
hi-
My Si Fu is having an article published in next months the competition magazine. The article is specifically about “Sil Lum/Shaolin/Siu Lam” Five Animals, specifically, Tiger, Crane, Leopard, Snake and Dragon. (Dec 2001 IKF) sorry Gene and Martha, but it’s my Si Fu 
KFQG magazine has done several pieces on the five animals of Shaolin.
Dooder, are you studying Lions Roar? Tibetan Kung Fu? or are you studying Hsing I 12 animals?
Curious.
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Kung Lek
kung lek
My lion form is nan chaun. I mostly do southern boxing.
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