Answer to Mantis 108
Hi Robert,
You asked:
Could it be found in their Gong (Qigong) methods? I have heard that they have Sanhui Jiuzhuan Luohan Gong, that is composed of Sanhui Jiuzhuan Huanyang Fa (soft Qigong) and 18 Roads 69 postures Luohan Gong (hard Qigong). This would remain to be investigated.
My answer: yes, you are right! I enjoy reading your posts because I am learning how to translate a lot of Mantis terms into English…Thank you, my English teacher!
Hi Shifu Wang,
You are too kind. I have much to learn from you. 
I would love to have your input on the Gong training of the TJMHPM and how it relate to the other aspects within the system. This would definitely raise the awareness of the strength of TJMHPM. I am sure a lot of people would love to listen to your expertise on those matters and on the style. Please share your knowledge with us all. Thank you.
BTW, I must congratulate you on the well done job with your site. It is indeed an expertly done webpage. I particular enjoy the video clips. I find the 2 clips from the UK Plum Blossom PM quite interesting. May I ask who are they and which group/lineage do they belong? Also, would you have the name of the form that the lady, Andrea, does? I really appreciate your effort in the quality work. Thank you, my friend.
Warm regards
Robert
Reply to Mantis 108
Hi Robert!
Andrea’s form is Wutan Chui (sorry if my pinyin is off, I never payed attention to my studies when I was in school…I only liked kungfu study and nothing more…now I’m trying to make up for this mistake). This is a basic form and only Hao-style has this. As for the Gong training, this is something you don’t see regularly practiced now days. Only the indoor students get this training, if at all. GM Sun De Yao is the only person in my system that I know of that teaches this openly. He always mixes it in with his seminars, but since he barely speaks English people are not often aware of the names of what they learn with him. Sifu Cottrell had an opportunity to take his seminar at the Wutang Hall of Fame, but he didn’t have time to teach the Gong at this time because the seminars were cut shorter than expected. Have you heard about the Iron Palm training? This is very rare today. Chinese name Tie Xa Zhang. My teacher’s father’s kung fu brother could make fire from his arm only using one strike to create great friction. There is also Di Gong Quan which is higher floor grappling. Most Mantis masters don’t know of it. It is the 7th Zhai Yao and most masters only know of 6 Zhai Yao. Later when my English is better I will write a Mantis book because there are none from my system in English. I think Ilya is the only one that has translated some of the old teachings from Plum Blossom. I would like to see Mantis go higher in America (and the world). That’s why I am very happy to participate online to share and learn.
PS to 108
Oh, I almost forgot…you asked:
BTW, I must congratulate you on the well done job with your site. It is indeed an expertly done webpage. I particular enjoy the video clips. I find the 2 clips from the UK Plum Blossom PM quite interesting. May I ask who are they and which group/lineage do they belong?
I don’t have UK PM on my site. Maybe you are refering to GM Sun De Yao? I’m not sure which ones you mean.
Wang
Hi Shifu Wang,
<<<Andrea’s form is Wutan Chui (sorry if my pinyin is off, I never payed attention to my studies when I was in school…I only liked kungfu study and nothing more…now I’m trying to make up for this mistake). >>>
You are too humble. I think you are doing more than fine with the English.
<<<This is a basic form and only Hao-style has this.>>>
Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it. Is the Wutan Chui be the first form for novice in the Hao-style?
<<<As for the Gong training, this is something you don’t see regularly practiced now days. Only the indoor students get this training, if at all. GM Sun De Yao is the only person in my system that I know of that teaches this openly. He always mixes it in with his seminars, but since he barely speaks English people are not often aware of the names of what they learn with him.>>>
I agreed the Gong training is getting lost. I am glad that GM Sun is teaching it openly. I think it is important nowadays to spread the Gong training so that they won’t be lost forever. Hopefully, I will have the oppotunity to come to meet GM Sun and you.
<<<Sifu Cottrell had an opportunity to take his seminar at the Wutang Hall of Fame, but he didn’t have time to teach the Gong at this time because the seminars were cut shorter than expected.>>>
Ah, that’s unfortunate. I hope there will be more seminar in the future and hope that the gong training with be covered as well.
<<<Have you heard about the Iron Palm training? This is very rare today. >>>
Yes, I have some basic training on the Iron Palm. In HK, this part of training is important. Would you mind sharing some insights on the Iron Palm training so that we can benefit from it.
<<<Chinese name Tie Xa Zhang. My teacher’s father’s kung fu brother could make fire from his arm only using one strike to create great friction. >>>
Awesome.
<<<There is also Di Gong Quan which is higher floor grappling. Most Mantis masters don’t know of it. It is the 7th Zhai Yao and most masters only know of 6 Zhai Yao.>>>
Great, we have a Ditanglang (ground mantis) form. I think someone asked about the 7th Zhaiyao. As you pointed out many don’t know this form. I wonder if you care to share more info about this? I am sure a lot of people will be interested in listening.
<<<Later when my English is better I will write a Mantis book because there are none from my system in English.>>>
I certainly will be interested. Please let us know when will it be available.
<<<I think Ilya is the only one that has translated some of the old teachings from Plum Blossom. >>>
Yes, he has put a lot of effort in promoting traditional Tanglang. I have lots of respect for his knowledge and skill. Unfortunately, he is rather quiet lately. I hope he will come back on-line soon.
<<<I would like to see Mantis go higher in America (and the world). That’s why I am very happy to participate online to share and learn.>>>
same here, my friend. It is wonderful to have great company like you on the Mantis path.
Warm regards
Robert
PS I must have misread something. Are Sung and Andrea from your school?
Answer PS now…write more info later
PS I must have misread something. Are Sung and Andrea from your school?
WANG- yes they are my students. Andrea is my longest time female student in the US. That is indeed the first form. Andrea has a lot of power and did very well at GM Huang’s tournament (her first one). She also races dragon boats and bicycles which are great cross-trainers. Sung (along with his brother) is my webmaster as well as student. The brothers are black belts in TKD, and this comes out in their Mantis forms. To be honest, I don’t care for this style but they did win the gold and silver in Mantis forms at Master Tony Yang’s tournament, so now I get off their case. I guess I’m too much of a purist, but I am very proud of them…all my students are very good people! I am very lucky.
BTW- this thread caught my eye at first because my teacher’s kung fu brother is the one who took our style to Korea. These must be his students in the clip. They are very good!
Sorry Tieh, overlooked this…
Originally posted by Tieh
[B]@ B.Tunks
Only TJMH respectively MH wise?
I know that the german Mei Hua MAster Gerhart Milbrat studies with a Korean Master. I heard he is good but I do not know Milbrat him nor have I seen him.
Regards [/B]
There are all forms of Tanglang in both countries but Taijimeihua/ Meihua dominates in Korea and Taiji Tanglang is most likely the all-time most dominant in Vietnam Though there is a bit of H.K descended Qixing). There are also some Koreans who live permanently in Shandong who are very good in Tanglang all round (especially Qingdao). I dont personally know Mr Milbrat either so I cant comment on his ability.
B.T