have the little effers do a crap load of pushups every time.
[QUOTE=Fen;746716]For all ages in class…
Have them hold up the wall or ceiling…
Hold up a wall…
Horse stance, back to it about 8in from with both hands out in a Q-sou…
Hold up the ceiling…
Same as above but arms above the head, plams to ceiling…
1st time offenders… 10min and have to go to the end of the line up as if they are a newbe…
2nd time offenders… 30min and have to go to the end of the line up as if they are a newbe…
3rd time offenders… wall or ceiling for the hole class time…
4th same as the 3rd… and so on…
~Jason[/QUOTE]
Dp they have to wear orange uniforms as well?
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746910]Dp they have to wear orange uniforms as well?[/QUOTE]
hahahahahhaha lol
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718] actually, the idea of a uniform is to get rid of swollen ego
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Who says people have swollen egos?? And why do people need to get rid of their egos? Ego is good - ego is our greatest ally, and our greatest barrier - and yet, the way past the barrier isn’t, in my view, to attack the ego, to call it swollen and try to “kill” it - it’s to honour it, respect it, cherish it.
Personally, I am sick of hearing people lecture others on how we need to supress ego. The greatest egos are those who like to play leader in little uniformed societies, bossing everyone around for daring to have egos and dress how they like! Actually…
What could show greater ego than telling others that “actually, wearing a uniform is to get rid of swollen ego!”??? What ego to say that - what ego that has gotten over itself is seeking to de-swell other egos? Egos that are comfortable with themselves are comforatable with others, just as they are. Actually…
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
and the whole individuality for a moment
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What rot! Who says we should get rid of our individuality? You? That’s just yuor ego talking! I say let kids celebrate their individuality. No wonder breakdancing kkids are so much better at physical movement than martial arts kids.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
to help one be conscious of working together towards a goal that is good for all.
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Bah, common goods my rear end! Happy individuals with healthy self-identity and self respect work towards common goods, not drone-like zombies, dressed in uniforms all moving the same, all looking the same…it’s just an extension of the corrupt and immoral forms practice - all move the same, all look the same. No wonder martial artists from that source are so awful. If uniformity does the same for egos as it does for martial arts skills - then I need to take a week off to laugh at what you wrote!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
thinking about “me” all the time is not conducive to a well functioning community and breeds contempt amongst people for others.
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You only think about “me” all the time any way, whether you dress it up in fancy anti-self original spin or not. Making kids hate individuality - dressing it up as peuedo-mystical BS - is just that, and I laugh at it. My kids don’t wear any martial art suniform - neither do I - and they don’t call anyone master or bow to anyone either! So stick that in your ego pipe and inhale… Cult of self permeatesd all things anyway, and your way is only another expression of it - making peopl despise the4 selfand think it is bad is one of the surest ways to keep focussed on it.
This idea you present is a bizzare and inverted corruption of Taoist and Ch’an ideas related to non-existence of self. Real work in that area comes about via honouring the ego, not via attacking it.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
byt wearing uniforms we allow ourselves the opportunity to remove that selfish attitude and learn what it is to be part of community.
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It is not selfish to think about the self. I take it you are not a big Nietzsche fan??
It is fine to take some time to consider one’s self and one’s own interest.
Besides, who appoints martial arts instructors - of all people the MOST egotistical in the world near enough - as the people who should train kids in getting over their egos? I want my kids to have an ego - I want them to look out for themselves, and respect and delight in their individuality.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
you carry a family name don’t you? That is a sign of where you come from and where you fit in and that others fit with you. It is an outward gesture and has nothing to do with taking away from the individual attributes.
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Family names helpo to define individuality, not take away from it. If we follow your example you’d give all the kids the same name - you know, to destroy that pesky sense of self that is so terrible in kids. Our kids in your hands, eh?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
Think of it this way:
A mob of people is no more of an army than a pile of building materials is a house.
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But I don’t want to be a Napoleon with an army of uniformed children copying my every move. I delight in seeing the individuality of children.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;746718]
discipline in outward gestures and adherance to them signifies discipline of body and mind. If a person cannot make such small gestures, then they cannot come to attain personal kungfu which will mark them as a strong individual. It all works together.
recognize. 
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Recognize my eye, you pompous so and so! Got over your ego my eye! The kind of discipline you talk about is no more discipline than the kung fu skill you tal abotu is kung fu skill. Just crowd control and manipulation, subsuming the egos of others in one great cult of self.
The discip;line that doesn’t come from genuine love and respect isn’t worth a penny, in my humble view.
[QUOTE=Oso;746725]WQ: who are you kidding? do you not wear any sort of branded clothing or shoe or car?
Well said, DJ.[/QUOTE]
Who do you think you are kidding? People in uniforms - aya! If there is one thing we should teach our kids, it is the great folly that has bedevilled the world since we put people in to uniforms!
[QUOTE=Oso;746734]I totally agree it’s a must. This is just another transitional thing for my school. We’ve hovered at 2-4 kids for years and now regularly have 9 lining up and more inquiries than ever before. It’s the older kids unfortunately and it’s my fault for not being more strict before. And, there is a huge logistical problem for these kids that I won’t get in to here…I do know that there is more than just forgetfulness or lack of responsibility at play here. but, irrelevent of that, I’ve got to get them in line.
thanks all…except you water-quan :D[/QUOTE]
You’re not welcome. Now, you get off and get those kids in line… You never know, you may end upa s a passing character in a Pink FLoyd concept album.
my schools uniform is the red school t shirt, black sweats (they can buy or get the kung fu pants.) and sneakers.
i never had a problem. if the kid spilt grape juice its 1 thing. if they refuse to wear it i make them sit out. i also make the adults sit out if they refuse to tuck their shirt in. i have kids going “come on sihing we aint comfortable”. im like “i dont care, tuck in shirt or go sit out of class.”
[QUOTE=Oso;746745]because I’m trying to run a commercial school, dvmb@ss. 99% of the parents looking to get their kids in to a martial art are not interested in the martial arts. they are trying to get their kids more disciplined (granted a job they should be doing but if they were…most schools would be out of business). if I need to explain the rest of that logic chain to you…
no sh!t sherlock…there you go again not reading everything in a post. I said that I knew that the kids in question, and their parents, were faced with logistical issues…which is why I didn’t crack down sooner.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you need to crack down. If I was looking for a kung fu school for my kids, I’d look for someone who goes ont he itnernet calling other people stupid - then I’d know just why he is so keen on cracking down on others, and making them wear uniforms.
But on a practical note, why not just have a casual t-shirt with a logo, and if people forget to wear it, relax - it’s no big deal in the great scheme.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;746927]my schools uniform is the red school t shirt, black sweats (they can buy or get the kung fu pants.) and sneakers.
i never had a problem. if the kid spilt grape juice its 1 thing. if they refuse to wear it i make them sit out. i also make the adults sit out if they refuse to tuck their shirt in. i have kids going “come on sihing we aint comfortable”. im like “i dont care, tuck in shirt or go sit out of class.”[/QUOTE]
Petty mindedness.
[QUOTE=Oso;746759]and DJ has a great point about the ego…it’s a tenet of buddhism and consequently wu de that ego be sublimated. that’s hard for most people at best.
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That’s a shallow understanding of somethign much more profound than selling kids uniforms. All great idea tend to be simple - as a consequence, people can see in to them according to their depth of insight - see the surface meaning, or see deeply.
[QUOTE=Oso;746676]starting to have a big problem with kids not showing up with uniforms…we don’t have a bunch of fancy stuff…just pants, tshirt and sash.
What do ya’ll do? Make the kid sit out of class if they don’t have their uniform?[/QUOTE]
1 verbal warning and push ups, 2 talk with parents and push ups, 3 strikes send them home.
ETA: I did have one student where the mother was a single mom trying to make ends meet. His uniform was so old they started to fray. So he stopped wearing them. I talked with the mom and found out they were short on cash. So it was either frayed uniform or no uniform. I gave the kid an early B-Day gift.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;746927]i have kids going “come on sihing we aint comfortable”. ."[/QUOTE]
You even get a special name? How interesting!
[QUOTE=xcakid;746936]1 verbal warning and push ups, 2 talk with parents and push ups, 3 strikes send them home.
ETA: I did have one student where the mother was a single mom trying to make ends meet. His uniform was so old they started to fray. So he stopped wearing them. I talked with the mom and found out they were short on cash. So it was either frayed uniform or no uniform. I gave the kid an early B-Day gift.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the frayed uniform was more of a sign of honour? Trained till it frayed.
Oso,you don’t run a commercial school, you run a professional school.
You seem to me like you are trying to run a tight ship, teach quality MA,without compromising your integrity. Oh yeah, and get paid for it. That to me is professional, not commercial.
As to Neil, character development has been taught side by side in TCMA.
Hok Yun, Hok Yee Hok Gung-Fu-learn compassion, learn loyalty, before learning Gung-Fu.
Jun Jo,Jun Si, Jun Do Duk-Honor Ancestors,Honor Sifu, Honor the path of Virtue
this is an extremely old and well recognized creed of many TCMA.
http://www.chinwoo.com/spirit.htm
old guys in uniforms-not street clothes go to the pics of Lam Sai-Wing
http://www.kungfu-info.de
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746930]Petty mindedness.[/QUOTE]
1.) dully noted.
2.) your opinion doesnt mean anything to me,.
[QUOTE=Water-quan;746937]You even get a special name? How interesting![/QUOTE]
dont you? water quan sounds pretty special.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;746941]1.) dully noted.
2.) your opinion doesnt mean anything to me,.[/QUOTE]
Clearly. Now tuck your shirt in.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;746943]dont you? water quan sounds pretty special.[/QUOTE]
Does it? I liked it. I don’t have a special name from the people I train with - just my own name, but there again, no one is aboveme and no one is below me. The kung fu salute makes a circle, not a pyramid.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;746940]
As to Neil, character development has been taught side by side in TCMA.
Hok Yun, Hok Yee Hok Gung-Fu-learn compassion, learn loyalty, before learning Gung-Fu.
Jun Jo,Jun Si, Jun Do Duk-Honor Ancestors,Honor Sifu, Honor the path of Virtue
this is an extremely old and well recognized creed of many TCMA.
http://www.chinwoo.com/spirit.htm
old guys in uniforms-not street clothes go to the pics of Lam Sai-Wing
http://www.kungfu-info.de
http://www.worldeagleclaw.com[/QUOTE]
In case you didn’t notice, Lam Sai Wing is wearing a SUIT there. He’s a modern teacher.
Honestly it seems like you are making crappy excuses. If you are going to put some kid through hardship just to practice nonsense anyway, then you are a sorry bunch of teachers.
Basically you’re just babysitters. But guess you knew that, anyways.
the OTHER pic. :rolleyes: