Here is a clip:
Have fun.
liked it
The instructor seemed to be in a good mood.
His weight is going backwards ⌠even if that kick were to land, if the guy was coming in agressively, heâd put him right on his a$$.
I find this to be wing chunâs greatest weakness â theyâre always playing on their heals. There other kick, their stop kick, I also find kind of weak do to itâs structure. Itâs not natural. You would never turn your leg like that to smash a pint of milk like you did when you were a kid. Or, you wouldnât jump off a 4-foot wall and land wioht your foot that way ⌠it just makes no sense. Even if the stop kick lands, if the guy just keeps putting force in his front it it up roots them.
So I guess you can say I donât like it.
Now we have Ray orating on wing chun. Too Easy to âseeâ flaws in videos.
The person Don Mak is just demoing somethingâ dont know the context. His weight is not necessarily going backwards- may be may be not.
He knows that his weight is not supposed to go backwards.
joy chaudhuri
dude, turning the foot out gives you more surface area across meaning a better chance of landing that stop kick. And heavy squats are typically performed with your feet turned out. It requires flexibility though, flexibility that I personally no longer have since I stopped both MA training and stretching for the most part.
Look, some one asked a question Iâm just giving my opinion. Do I chime in on flan recipes? Do what you want. I studied Wing Chun for a few years, played with a ton of Wing Chun guys from Chinatown, noteably the folks at the Free Mason club, and thatâs my experience ⌠also, my experience tells me his weight is going back in that particular video. I know I shouldnât bite my nails ⌠I still do sometimes. Itâs just my opinion. You donât have to get nasty.
As for the WC stop kick, have a friend or classmate motion a front kick and place your stop kick somewhere between his shin and thigh⌠now you push down and have him push up. If youâre relatively the same size youâll be uprooted and sent backwards. Again, this is just my experience. And I have used this stop kick with pretty good success, even fighting in San Da, until Iâve seen some of its weaknesses. Iâve also used Duct Tape to secure engine parts and what not⌠when I got older I learned to fix the thing, replace it if necessary.
But boy is the blood getting bad around here. Iâm just giving my opinion ⌠which was asked for. We were all asked. Why not tell me why itâs good, instead of telling me why I have no business saying itâs not. Share your practical experience with us. This creates dialogue, not tension which could cause people to hold their tongues.
PS
HIS WEIGHT IS GOING BACKWARDS!!!
Look at were the sifuâs head is in relation to the wooden dummy behind him before and during the kick. Before, his head blocks a portion of it. During the kick it is completely visible.
So maybe you need to remind him 
âAs for the WC stop kick, have a friend or classmate motion a front kick and place your stop kick somewhere between his shin and thigh⌠now you push down and have him push up. If youâre relatively the same size youâll be uprooted and sent backwards.â
Does this have something to do with turning the foot out, or what? Something weakened at the hip? Or is it a problem with any stop kick? Please elaborate.
As far as weight going backwards, lots of styles lean back when they kick, his structure looked good to me when I viewed the clip and itâs not the end of the world in my experience to push yourself back due to landing a kick. In fact, it is worth it to land a kick and it looked like he was so close that was the only way to land it.
putting your hips into a front kick can often look like youâre weightâs going backwards; but itâs also a good way to put the hurt on yhour opponent while not leaving your head in range.
Hey,
Nice clip SPJ.
Wing Chun has many weaknesses and strengths just like any other martial arts out there. It is up to the individual to âobserveâ, âdissectâ, and âre-toolâ those weaknesses in order to make the art work. And on strengths wellâŚkeep on working hard to refine them to new levels if possible. shrugs
Just a thought.
Ray Pina
Sure SPJ asked for opinions on the clip⌠and you are entitled to relating your perception and judgement. I dont have to quote from your posts. Where I find you showing your ignorance is your orating in wing chun in general.
My comments on the video? None. I dont know the context of that demo- what principle is being illustrated? Many possibilities. Also there are many kicks in wing chun besides what you call the other stop kick- regarding which you also proceed to orate.
WC seems to work the best when you start out with your arm crossed with your opponentâs.
You canât see that. It looks to me like at first his weight is slightly forwards, then he straightens up, but you canât see without seeing his legs. Besides, he is also stepping slightly backwards which may add to the illusion.
BTW, kyokushin kick at the same angle and theyâve got one of the strongest front kicks in the business, and Iâve never seen one going down from a front kick from someone coming in aggressively, without some kind of shoot involved.
Plus, itâs extremely difficult to come in aggressively if somebody puts in a good front kick (stop kick or otherwise) to your solar plexus, stomach, chin etc. Iâve seen my shooto teacher whoâs no patsy, go down like a sack of potatoes while coming in aggressively and receiving a front kick to the chin. So itâs a question of timing and since as always, this is just a demo, you canât say whether it would work or not.
Completely baseless, quite funny and irrelevant!
SPJ posted a clip, and asked for comment.
I tend to agree with Ray, it seems like the guyâs weight is going backwards. I repeat, SEEMS, from what the wee bit of video portrays. Practicing, demonstrating, whatever.
Sure, lots of players put their weight back when they kick, those are the guys whose kicks you can walk through, and send them toppling backwards.
Unless, of course you stop in their sweet spot and let them kick the poop out of youâŚ
Putting your hip into it and throwing your shoulders back isnât the best way to put power and position to your advantage, but its better. Keeping the upper body in an agressive forward posture keeps you ready to follow through. IMHO.
Mind you, I donât kick above the waist anymore.
Somebody posted a San Da ring fight with a âTeepâ earlier on, that is my case in point. Same basic move, simply executed with intention.
I surely see him put his weight back, but at the same time, he has a hold of his opponents arms. This I think permits him to lean slightly back to keep his head out of range, make room for the kick, and add force by pulling back on the arms of the opponent whilst kicking out.
I in no way say any of this is fact, I could be totally wrong. Thats just the feeling i get from it.
But he surely leaned back.
And if he has to go to the ground for that, well at least he hopefully delivered a breath taking kick to his opponents mid section, which may give him the edge when they go down. Assuming he can handle himself on the ground.
Yes, agreed, holding on and pulling someone into a kick is good technique.
Anybody practice the âno shadowâ kick? Isnât that in this category?
SPJ, What is your take on the video?
My Wing Chun sifu was a training brother of Robert Chu for many, many years ⌠I trained with him for about 3 years. My master now trained with Yip Man in Hong Kong but was eventually kicked out for questioning certain things about the style.
I must have fought, not chi saud, with at least 13 wing chun guys. Chi Sau, forget about it, definitely high double digits. NYC has a lot of Wing Cun. I just played with Emin Boztepe.
Can you share some of your Wing Chun credentials? I think I have enough to make an educated coment.
Great post