is there much striking in judo at all?
I think there is some basic atemi waza, but, i’ve never seen any of it.
I would expect it to be very Shotokan Karate-ish since Jigoro Kano recieved some Karate instruction from Gichin Funakoshi.
Trust me, you’ll have your hands full just learning how to step and move in Judo to even think about striking for a good long while, lol. It is WAY harder than it looks. I felt like it was something that would take me a LOT longer to get good at compared to striking.
Of course I came from a striking background…
well thats cool though. im interested in going in as a clean slate. less striking will be better under that context i think. i love being a new student, so much fun.
I envy you. :mad:
Sucker!!! 
Judo’s a gateway drug. After a year or two - you’ll be able to pick up Sambo variations just by watching them on youtube.
I cross train both Judo and BJJ. Truth be told - I kind’a prefer Judo but BJJers with rank will almost always beat Judo guys two or three times their rank on the ground if the Judo guy’s foolish enough to engage them… but BJJ got’s no standup skillz. Their takedowns are terrible, and for me - the takedowns are the fun part.
i have considered which i wanted to take up, and for the standing to the ground element i wanted to go for judo since it seems superior to bjj. my time has been invested in stand up so thats where i want to stay and i feel judo will cater to that better.
does judo spend much time on going from ground to return to your feet, or does it mostly focus on finishing on the ground once there?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1112898]Judo’s a gateway drug. After a year or two - you’ll be able to pick up Sambo variations just by watching them on youtube.
I cross train both Judo and BJJ. Truth be told - I kind’a prefer Judo but BJJers with rank will almost always beat Judo guys two or three times their rank on the ground if the Judo guy’s foolish enough to engage them… but BJJ got’s no standup skillz. Their takedowns are terrible, and for me - the takedowns are the fun part.[/QUOTE]
Judo is not just Kodokan Judo, that is based more on throws and pins then submissions.
There is Kosen that is 90% submission work, but the truth is they don’t compete that much in submission grappling.
Judo has time limits on the ground so the pin is “easier” than the sub for many.
All the BJJ has, judo has.
BUT BJJ is far more specialized on the ground and far more advanced ( typically) in the submission part since they devote far more time to it.
A 1 year BJJ player will demolish most 4 year judo guys on the ground.
When I did BJJ I had a BB in Judo already and the blue belts were far ahead on the ground, but I made that gap up very quickly.
I would throw pretty much everyone there, black belts included, but that was alright by them, LOL !
Yeah I made the mistake of going to the ground with 2 guys from a BJJ club during a Judo tournament. :rolleyes:
Never do that again if I can help it.
As a side note, there is something very satisfying about landing an ippon on an opponent.
I’m leaving this thread before I quit my job and return to Judo.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1112929]Yeah I made the mistake of going to the ground with 2 guys from a BJJ club during a Judo tournament. :rolleyes:
Never do that again if I can help it.
As a side note, there is something very satisfying about landing an ippon on an opponent.
I’m leaving this thread before I quit my job and return to Judo.:([/QUOTE]
I recall my first uchi-mata ippon, it was a beautiful thing !
I also recall when I was rolling with a BJJ purple and he was so used to me going for a throw that I pulled off “jumping” arm bar !
Surprise is an awesome thing.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1112911]Judo is not just Kodokan Judo, that is based more on throws and pins then submissions.
There is Kosen that is 90% submission work, but the truth is they don’t compete that much in submission grappling…[/QUOTE]
I’m with the mainstream Judo-ers that believe that modern Kosen is- well- a myth. It’s true that the old school Kosen players in Japan were accomplished at newaza and were able to thus nullify their size handicap against the big Tokyo guys, but the Kodokan or should I say, Tokyo Judo Clubs took care of that with one of their famous rule changes “for the good of Judo”. There is no Kosen style of Judo… it was just a regional preference for NeWaza… a loophole that allowed smaller guys to compete against bigger guys.
Don’t forget for once that Judo is political… very very political with strategic rule changes that always seem to benefit the makers of the rules.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1112976]I’m with the mainstream Judo-ers that believe that modern Kosen is- well- a myth. It’s true that the old school Kosen players in Japan were accomplished at newaza and were able to thus nullify their size handicap against the big Tokyo guys, but the Kodokan or should I say, Tokyo Judo Clubs took care of that with one of their famous rule changes “for the good of Judo”. There is no Kosen style of Judo… it was just a regional preference for NeWaza… a loophole that allowed smaller guys to compete against bigger guys.
Don’t forget for once that Judo is political… very very political with strategic rule changes that always seem to benefit the makers of the rules.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the politics at high level competition is just disgusting. I imagine it is this way for most competitive sports, though.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1112986]Yeah, the politics at high level competition is just disgusting. I imagine it is this way for most competitive sports, though.[/QUOTE]
I just spent the last 3 months having to learn the Greco Roman no leg grabbing version of Kata Guruma because of a recent rule change for the betterment of Judo.
Some of us have spent literally years developing our personal favorite throws only to have them taken from us because some people with political pull couldn’t stand losing. I was soooooo peaved that I nearly dropped Judo all together. :mad: Still mad when I think about it.
so what do you guys think about training judo just for self defense?
It is fantastic. Your techniques are pressure tested as you learn them. Doesn’t get much better for learning throws, imo.
It’s really the competition stuff that takes the most hits from all the politics. I remember there were a bunch of rule changes just before my first competition too, but I was so new that it wasn’t a big deal to me.
There were a few people from the US Olympic team there. It was amazing how well they could throw.
cool, i mainly want to learn judo just for my own personal martial arts. i really like the advice ykw gives about mapping my throws to no gi. i am going to do that.
The deltoid is the strongest muscle on human body. Try to use it for landing.
Lucas
This will sound crazy, but Judo made me good at kung fu. Judo is rough- especially if you’re competitive and have a good group of guys to practice with. It will be frustrating for you at first because you’ll be new, and you may feel weak when you compare yourself with guys about your age with the same amount of martial experience (just in Judo) and you go to play randori with them.
It’ll be frustrating - but, after you give it some time, you’ll get better. You’ll notice how the stuff that you learned “blends” with the stuff you’ll be learning, much like how SC blends strikes and throws - you’ll just have to make the connection yourself. And then you’ll start winning some… and then it evens out to where you’re 50/50 in your club. Then you start beating people in other clubs… then one day you’ll realize that you’re strong in Judo. And you’ll realize that you’ve been in literally hundreds of “fights” with skilled martial artists- then you start to see things differently. Your confidence is at a level that TCMA by itself might not have given you because of the lack of consistent hard randori… but you have it now. Then the fight club thing happens- where you’re subconciously sizing people up everywhere you go- where you can walk into a club and spot the one or two people who may give you a problem if you had to fight them, and you’ll definitely spot the phonies - the bullies that think they’re strong just by virtue of being big. It’s a whole new world- and you’ll see it the way a fighting martial artists sees it.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1112976]I’m with the mainstream Judo-ers that believe that modern Kosen is- well- a myth. It’s true that the old school Kosen players in Japan were accomplished at newaza and were able to thus nullify their size handicap against the big Tokyo guys, but the Kodokan or should I say, Tokyo Judo Clubs took care of that with one of their famous rule changes “for the good of Judo”. There is no Kosen style of Judo… it was just a regional preference for NeWaza… a loophole that allowed smaller guys to compete against bigger guys.
Don’t forget for once that Judo is political… very very political with strategic rule changes that always seem to benefit the makers of the rules.[/QUOTE]
Myth maybe ( probably) but the old -pre-war judo did tend to be far more grappling oriented than the olympic judo.
There is a Kosen dojo in Japan though, or at least there was.
There are also a few “combat judo” one which are, basically, MMA with a gi.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1113041]This will sound crazy, but Judo made me good at kung fu. Judo is rough- especially if you’re competitive and have a good group of guys to practice with. It will be frustrating for you at first because you’ll be new, and you may feel weak when you compare yourself with guys about your age with the same amount of martial experience (just in Judo) and you go to play randori with them.
It’ll be frustrating - but, after you give it some time, you’ll get better. You’ll notice how the stuff that you learned “blends” with the stuff you’ll be learning, much like how SC blends strikes and throws - you’ll just have to make the connection yourself. And then you’ll start winning some… and then it evens out to where you’re 50/50 in your club. Then you start beating people in other clubs… then one day you’ll realize that you’re strong in Judo. And you’ll realize that you’ve been in literally hundreds of “fights” with skilled martial artists- then you start to see things differently. Your confidence is at a level that TCMA by itself might not have given you because of the lack of consistent hard randori… but you have it now. Then the fight club thing happens- where you’re subconciously sizing people up everywhere you go- where you can walk into a club and spot the one or two people who may give you a problem if you had to fight them, and you’ll definitely spot the phonies - the bullies that think they’re strong just by virtue of being big. It’s a whole new world- and you’ll see it the way a fighting martial artists sees it.[/QUOTE]
Well put sir, two thumbs up.