[QUOTE=Kansuke;910540]So this is how you plan to avoid owning up to your ****y attitude? I’m not surprised, you little weasel.[/QUOTE]
I don’t have a poor attitude. 
My attitude is my own and I stand by it.
Why would I bend to the whim of a coward like you?
That would be a poor attitude for me to take.
You need to grasp reality a little tighter.
Perhaps it will help you to get some counselling for your anger and hatred. It really is hard on you.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;910551]wTF is going on, on this board lately? I swear, the moon must be in Biotch, or something. Enough already. Give it a rest. What are you, guys or chix?
I though chix held onto sh1t, but you guys are pathetic.
People stalking each other across the forums, ganging up one each other like school kids, misquoting,bullying, threatening,biching to the mods, arguing over meaningless drivel.
Take a break, and think up a really good topic that we can all enjoy and exchange some info, opinions, etc.
But this sh1t has got to stop. Some of you have recognizable names and you make yourselves look like total azzes. Have you no clue how you are coming across? Wake da fuk up.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I have no problem with putting my words out there when little ones like kansuke puff their keyboard chests and make like they have something important to serve.
If he had any guts at all, he’d put his own name up.
I got rid of my screen name a few years ago because I am only what I am. I am here what I am anywhere else.
anyone who has a problem with that can take it up with their proctologist and get help removing their head from their ass.
kansuke craves attention. this is typical of an emotionally damaged person. I feel sorry for him, cause I know that even though I jest, it’s highly probable he really hurts inside and has issues that he can’t deal with.
I’m certainly strong enough to withstand his mewlings in order to help him get that rage out. But I won’t accept his premise, because it’s cowardly. when he discovers he can stand on his own merit and be a man, he’ll feel a lot better and we’ll all hear a lot less negative nelly from him.
he is powerless and really craves it, but won’t work for it and won’t try to earn power. so he is lazy and throws insults in an attempt at a quick fix. Like a drug addict. It’s strange, but, there you have it.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;910556]I don’t have a poor attitude.
My attitude is my own and I stand by it.[/QUOTE]
Then you admit that your comments were ignorant and ill-advised?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;910557]
If he had any guts at all, he’d put his own name up.[/QUOTE]
So this is what you’re going to go with? You’re going to ‘hide’ behind this utterly transparent little attempt at misdirection to avoid admitting your comments and your attitude were inappropriate? Just “be a man” and own up to it and you won’t have to worry about it (until the next time you do it). Case by case, step by step, you can grow up and learn to stop being a d-bag.
[QUOTE=Kansuke;910568]Then you admit that your comments were ignorant and ill-advised?[/QUOTE]
Not at all. My comments were legit. Your whining about them is weird.
Your starting a thread to direct your whining at me is weird, and therefore, you are weird.
just pointing it out pally.
I hope to god you’re not masturbating as I admonish you for your tactless ineptitude. :eek:
but, I wouldn’t put it past you either.
have a good evening.
[QUOTE=Kansuke;910569]So this is what you’re going to go with? You’re going to ‘hide’ behind this utterly transparent little attempt at misdirection to avoid admitting your comments and your attitude were inappropriate? Just “be a man” and own up to it and you won’t have to worry about it (until the next time you do it). Case by case, step by step, you can grow up and learn to stop being a d-bag.[/QUOTE]
wtf are you talking about? are you a meth amphetamine user by chance?
I doubt that taai gihk yahn meant well. I believe he was trying to “protect” his forum buddy lkfmdc with whom he actively participated in lkfmdcs first attempt at character assassination where my posts were doctored to show me as a Nazi, antisemetic and a criminal. At that occasion he was posting as cjurakpt!!!
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910293]No hardwork, Taai Gihk Yahn did not get the law right…[/QUOTE]
I knew it was too good to be true.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;910278]LMFAO… you’re gonna sue me?[/quote]
Not really, so relax!
Your fear and insecurity are gaining a legendary reputation in this site.
Yeah, from uncontrolled laughter, no doubt.
No one is going to call a lawyer on you. You scared little man…lol.
The “whole world” you talk about is the your world of insecure MMA-ist knuckleheads!
You took the words out of my mouth. Let´s see now. Oh yes, why don´t you invent some more untruthfull posts and attribute them to someone else I know?
That should keep your simple mind happy for couple of more weeks.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;910282]PS: the letter denouncing him is on three different forums! TWO OF THEM I DON’T EVEN HAVE ACCOUNTS ON…:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]Taai Gihk,
I understand your intuitioin on this, and yours is actually a pretty reasonable argument, but it’s wrong.
First, defamation is not created by statute, it comes from common law.
Second, just by showing, among a few other things, that there was a knowing lie based on some proposed fact that was false will create liability for damages as a matter of law. You don’t have to quantify damages or make any other showing. That falls under the special damages doctrine and is covered in an earlier post. The jury will determine what the money damages should be based on their knowledge and values.
Third, the fact that he uses a different name on the forum is not going to effect it. Defamation is tort law, and the point of tort law in to place blame against someone that wrongs another. Hardwork has some type of reputation on the forum, and that’s enough.
If you were right with your argument, then you’d be saying that the member would not be wronged no matter how many knowing lies are said, even if there’s one done every day, by many people, maliciously. The question is, would a reasonable person feel wronged if subjected to that. If I, for example, put up a post every day claiming your wife or whoever said things to me about you in secret that were very derogatory, wouldn’t you be hurt by that? And if I was knowingly lying, didn’t even know your wife, but made it seem to the community that I did, wouldn’t you feel helpless. You have a right not to suffer that in the American law.[/QUOTE]
I talked today to a buddy of mine who is, though not currently a lawyer or working in a legal field, on the Colorado bar. He said that basically, unless real damages could be proven or it could be shown to be reasonable to assume real damages will be caused in the future, the defamation case would get thrown out of court. He also, however, did say that the applicable laws vary considerably from state to state, so it’s completely possible that that’s not the case where you are. Of course, given that Hardwork is (if I’m remembering correctly) out of the country, you’d be looking at an entirely different set of laws and jurisdictions to begin with, rendering all of this basically moot.
[QUOTE=Reverend Tap;910585]Of course, given that Hardwork is (if I’m remembering correctly) out of the country, you’d be looking at an entirely different set of laws and jurisdictions to begin with, rendering all of this basically moot.[/QUOTE]
You are right, I am out of the country. I am in Colombia where people making slanderous remarks are taken to justice in much more practical ways.;)
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]Taai Gihk,
I understand your intuitioin on this, and yours is actually a pretty reasonable argument, but it’s wrong.
First, defamation is not created by statute, it comes from common law.
Second, just by showing, among a few other things, that there was a knowing lie based on some proposed fact that was false will create liability for damages as a matter of law. You don’t have to quantify damages or make any other showing. That falls under the special damages doctrine and is covered in an earlier post. The jury will determine what the money damages should be based on their knowledge and values.
Third, the fact that he uses a different name on the forum is not going to effect it. Defamation is tort law, and the point of tort law in to place blame against someone that wrongs another. Hardwork has some type of reputation on the forum, and that’s enough.
If you were right with your argument, then you’d be saying that the member would not be wronged no matter how many knowing lies are said, even if there’s one done every day, by many people, maliciously. The question is, would a reasonable person feel wronged if subjected to that. If I, for example, put up a post every day claiming your wife or whoever said things to me about you in secret that were very derogatory, wouldn’t you be hurt by that? And if I was knowingly lying, didn’t even know your wife, but made it seem to the community that I did, wouldn’t you feel helpless. You have a right not to suffer that in the American law.[/QUOTE]
Wetwonder,
Thank you. Your post has been educational.
You write well.
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]Taai Gihk,
I understand your intuitioin on this, and yours is actually a pretty reasonable argument, but it’s wrong.
First, defamation is not created by statute, it comes from common law. [/QUOTE]
fine, but again, under what jurisdiction does this fall? HW is posting from So. America; Kansuke is, I believe in Asia; the server is in the US; and again, as a practical matter, where would HW even bring the case to trial?
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]Second, just by showing, among a few other things, that there was a knowing lie based on some proposed fact that was false will create liability for damages as a matter of law. You don’t have to quantify damages or make any other showing. That falls under the special damages doctrine and is covered in an earlier post. The jury will determine what the money damages should be based on their knowledge and values. [/QUOTE]
and as a practical matter, against whom would they find? Kansuke is also anonymous; does the court have the right to expose his identity in this case? and again, HW would have to reveal his identity to bring suit, so there is really no practical incentive for this;
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]Third, the fact that he uses a different name on the forum is not going to effect it. Defamation is tort law, and the point of tort law in to place blame against someone that wrongs another. Hardwork has some type of reputation on the forum, and that’s enough. [/QUOTE]
which reputation? amongst some, it is positive, but amongst most others here it is a negative one; if Kansuke’s accusations fall under the opinion of the majority, what has he done to practically effect HW’s rep.?
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]If you were right with your argument, then you’d be saying that the member would not be wronged no matter how many knowing lies are said, even if there’s one done every day, by many people, maliciously. The question is, would a reasonable person feel wronged if subjected to that. If I, for example, put up a post every day claiming your wife or whoever said things to me about you in secret that were very derogatory, wouldn’t you be hurt by that?[/QUOTE]
dude, it’s an internet forum - if I really care about some BS that someone posts about me here, I need to seriously re-evaluate my sense of myself; and remember, one can always turn one’s computer off and get back to reality…
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554] And if I was knowingly lying, didn’t even know your wife, but made it seem to the community that I did, wouldn’t you feel helpless.[/QUOTE]
no; first, I can post and defend myself; also, an internet forum is somewhat organic: the majority of people here who know me and seem to get along with me, so they would be inclined to believe what I posted as opposed to some noob saying cr@p about my wife; meaning that, the opinions held by others about oneself are typically the result of one’s behavior in general; like any community, one has allies and adversaries; if one is socially appropriate, one will have more of the former and less of the latter;
[QUOTE=wetwonder;910554]You have a right not to suffer that in the American law.[/QUOTE]
again, what if I am posting from another country?
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910576]I doubt that taai gihk yahn meant well.[/QUOTE]
actually, I had no agenda other than discussing the “case” objectively;
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910576] I believe he was trying to “protect” his forum buddy lkfmdc with whom he actively participated in lkfmdcs first attempt at character assassination where my posts were doctored to show me as a Nazi, antisemetic and a criminal. [/QUOTE]
there’s nothing to protect anyone from; and how exactly would my posting be protection from anything if in fact you actually had legal recourse? if you do, you do, if you don’t, you don’t, nothing to do with my current postings
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910576]At that occasion he was posting as cjurakpt!!![/QUOTE]
yes; and?
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910576]I knew it was too good to be true.:D[/QUOTE]
no, actually you didn’t;
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910591]
You right well. :)[/QUOTE]
you, on the other hand…
[QUOTE=Reverend Tap;910585]I talked today to a buddy of mine who is, though not currently a lawyer or working in a legal field, on the Colorado bar. He said that basically, unless real damages could be proven or it could be shown to be reasonable to assume real damages will be caused in the future, the defamation case would get thrown out of court. [/QUOTE]
thank you - exactly my point from the get go;
[QUOTE=Reverend Tap;910585]He also, however, did say that the applicable laws vary considerably from state to state, so it’s completely possible that that’s not the case where you are. Of course, given that Hardwork is (if I’m remembering correctly) out of the country, you’d be looking at an entirely different set of laws and jurisdictions to begin with, rendering all of this basically moot.[/QUOTE]
again, my point - you are actually dealing with multiple jurisdictions here - Columbia, possibly Japan, and I don’t know how to classify the Internet - is it based on the location of the forum server?
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;910598]actually, I had no agenda other than discussing the “case” objectively;[/quote]
Yeah, just like you had “no agenda” when you said that you didn´t know wether Kansuke (and lkfmdc) were lying about my sifu and just like you had “no agenda” when you participated in that character assassination exercise instigated by lkfmdc to make me out as a Nazi and an anti semetic, when you were posting as cjurakpt!
I meant that you were trying to cover his @ss in this forum!
Read my first statement in this post!
Furthermore, posting as cjurakpt you participated in the same kind of character assassination and (slanderous) behavior that you are discussing now while doing your best to cover your friends´ Kansuke and lkfmdc´s collective -@sess and by extension your own!
Wetwonder, if you are reading this then please be aware with whom it is that you are discussing this subject.
Taai gihk yahn is a forum buddy of lkfmdc and kansuke and as mentioned, has in the past participated in the same kind of behavior (against me) that you are criticizing/discussing now.
It was just an expression taai gihk yahn.:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;910599]you, on the other hand…:p[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that taai gihk yahn. I went and corrected my error.
Finally I have understood why the forces that be have adorned us with your presence in this forum (most people having already excluded any possibility of your divine purpose of your forum existance was to make any intelligent kung fu discussion).
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;910600]
again, my point - you are actually dealing with multiple jurisdictions here - Columbia, possibly Japan, and I don’t know how to classify the Internet - is it based on the location of the forum server?[/QUOTE]
What was it you said about spelling things “right”?
Well at least you spelled Japan correctly.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]Yeah, just like you had “no agenda” when you said that you didn´t know wether Kansuke (and lkfmdc) were lying about my sifu[/QUOTE]
not having followed that thread / topic I really don’t know what it was all about - e.g. - there were links to Bullshido, but having no interest, i never followed them; for all I know, they are spreading lies; or they are not; I don’t know; I don’t really care about what your sifu may or may not have said; but certainly that won’t stop wetwonder or any one else who is interested from making up their own minds
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]and just like you had “no agenda” when you participated in that character assassination exercise instigated by lkfmdc to make me out as a Nazi and an anti semetic, when you were posting as cjurakpt! [/QUOTE]
you mean you are no longer affiliated with that particular political movement?:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]I meant that you were trying to cover his @ss in this forum![/QUOTE]
dude, it’s a public forum; there’s no where to hide, nothing to cover; anyone can read anything that’s posted and make up their minds accordingly; you really must be thick if you misconstrue my examining a case on its “legal” merits as a means of providing “cover”;
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]Furthermore, posting as cjurakpt you participated in the same kind of character assassination and (slanderous) behavior that you are discussing now while doing your best to cover your friends´ Kansuke and lkfmdc´s collective -@sess and by extension your own![/QUOTE]
sorry, nice try; I make no attempt to cover my asz or anyone else’s; you really need to chill on the conspiracy theory (BTW, speaking of "conspiracies, what you didn’t know is that I have always aspartame like the plague and ignored my pediatrician’s “advice” last year to give my son flouride supplements; now let’s see what sort of derogatory remark you can come up with for those comments); bottom line, people will read this post and they can go back and review the entire history of my postings as tgy or cjpt as they like;
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]Wetwonder, if you are reading this then please be aware with whom it is that you are discussing this subject. [/QUOTE]
he seems to be doing just fine; see, unlike you, wetwonder is able to engage in critcism of what I write without resorting to name-calling and condescension; you still evidently have not figured out that you come across as a smug, pompous asz, even when someone is trying to have an amicable discussion with you but does not wholesale accept your perspective;
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;910604]Taai gihk yahn is a forum buddy of lkfmdc and kansuke and as mentioned, has in the past participated in the same kind of behavior (against me) that you are criticizing/discussing now.[/QUOTE]
I think he gets your message; which is that you will keep whining forever about how poorly you’ve been treated here :rolleyes: