Originally posted by Phenix life is strange and things are strange.
Hi Phenix,
Yeah, remember the clothing and dance styles from the 70s?
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You see, in WC, everyone is teached to attack, capture… others center line.
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Yes, this is an important teaching stage.
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But, the biggest Taboo is that one was teached to stand in YJKYM, keep the center line still, and practice the mighty SLT.
Guess what? that build up a habit of subsconciously keep still in the center line. so, that is great for others to attack and Bjj to lock aned choke one. He he he, I tried and seen it through how it really works for the opponents to choke me.
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One has to adjust for different styles. BJJ doesn’t work on the centerline principle, so we shouldn’t be bound by it either. Don’t let a BJJer apply a choke. That would be bad.
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Isn’t it strange for one that teached to attack other’s center line but one keep training to build up habit of still center line which is giving out the target one will attack?
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This is a stage in learning. It works in certain circumstances, but one can train so that one’s center is wherever one wants it to be at the time. First one must learn the principles of mixing paint and holding a brush, then one can paint. Only a few become artists.
Actually, BJJ has a centreline principle which applies to fighting from the guard. Dissenters are directed to John Will’s “Advanced BJJ: The BJJ Guard” for their education.
John Will is a third degree black belt under Rigan Machado.
A number of other KF styles also use the centreline, but as 7* says, they may use it differently, e.g. moving rapidly from one side to the other to expose it to the opponent for the minimum duration.
Actually, BJJ has a centreline principle which applies to fighting from the guard. Dissenters are directed to John Will’s “Advanced BJJ: The BJJ Guard” for their education.
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Agreed. In my haste, I miswrote. You aren’t suggesting though, that the BJJ concept of centreline principle is the same as Wing Chun’s are you?
Centerline can mean many things in martial arts. For Wing Chun, in my school from a given person’s perspective, it means his/her centerline, and from what I’ve been reading here on KFO lately, some Wing Chun lineages mean different things by centerline/central line to further confuse the issue.
Each participant has his/her individual centerline, which in an extreme case can be far from the dan tien’s center, and in addition, there is the concept of a centerline in the no man’s land between two individuals. In practical application, against individual’s who have anti-Wing Chun experience and who deny me the center through various tactics such as outside hands and wide turns, I have found it convenient to conceptualize them as if they have two centerline’s running down each side mid-clavicle. Another tactic, if they’re keeping me out, is to go extreme outside, and just go around them, but that’s another discussion.
Against Wing Chun, I fight to have the best, most precise centerline and not to let anyone else know where I keep it.
i didnt read all the replies.
we’re not allowed to talk anymore about z#n, but the way is not answering the question. those who know the answer to phenix’s question, himself included will not attempt to answer it, because we know that by answering it, we deny our SLT-nature.
