[QUOTE=Flying-Monkey;722738]Actually, I have heard of other masters called Chan Poi a fake. No to his face, but behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]
FM,
Lots of people have said behind Chan Poi’s back. They do this because re choreographed forms and taught them to Americans. Some people laugh at him because he does stuff like; include the Hung Kiu Sao (the commonly seen one-finger bridge hand) in his first first form - and it is supposed to be a mantis form.
The thing is, choreographed or not, his people have won - big time - at major Kung-Fu tournaments, he’s got at least 20 branches teaching his KF at any time, he has lots of ads, has wrote books, made instructional tapes, owns the property that is school is on makes more money than most of the KF teachers in the world make.
Not to mention - even as an old guy, he can kick, punch and even hit the lowest stances - really well. Much better than 99 of the KF teachers in this country. Especially the other old guys.
It’s just jealousy, that’s it. When everyone sees him at an event, even the guys who talk sh1t behind his back, they all want to greet him and hang out with him.
I have met his several times, and he is a nice guy. I have 2 very close friends that were instructors under him and thier kung-fu is very good. He personally picked me, my classmates and my teacher up from the airport in 1990. He and my teacher knew each other in NY and they seemed like good friends.
In general, a good guy and excellent skills. The one bad thing I will say about him, and I’d say it to is face - WE ALL FEARED FOR OUR LIVES WHILE DRIVING WITH HIM. SAFE DRIVING DOES NOT SEEM TO BE ONE OF THE SKILLS HE HAS AQUIRED OVER THE YEARS. 
OH, but Noone says that he was one of the guys who laughed at my teacher…
Fact is, lots of teachers choreograph or re-choreograph their forms. So what? Someone had to choreograph them in the first place! And what is fake? Aren’t they all using the same techniques, just changing secquences or number of moves?
Please…with the exception of people creating new moves that are not based on any real fighting concept, I think every teacher should choreograph some sets - and they do - to meet the needs of their students, to help them learn easier, etc.
We have some 20 moves sets to teach people before they learn the harder and more complex forms, so what? CTS didn’t make up ‘moves’ so to speak. Sure he choreographed forms, again, so what? Some forms are the same as his teachers son remembers, (whom I’ve practices/trained with in Toi San) and some forms are his creations. Again, so what?
Noone, Cung-Fu, Fook-Yuil - you haven’t spilled an secrets. Chan Tai-San taught at lots of people’s schools. So what? Are you suggesting that they all did it out of their charatible hearts and NOT because they felt that CTS had something to offer his students? C’mon…
Grandmaster of the Fu Jow Pai, Sifu Ng Wai-Hung was a friend to my Sifu as well. Three of his top Sifu trained with CTS. I only saw TWO of them train personally with him, but I was told about the third. And I mean LEARN from him, not compare notes. One would train at his apartment and we would go to one of the other’s schools, and my teachers would teach him before his classes started. Been there several times. SO what? People like to learn stuff. DO you think that they would have wanted to learn from him if everyone thought his KF was bad? Again..C’mon…a little common sense here.
Maybe, perhaps, YOU are the ones who have been misinformed? Odds are, noone and his co-horst have never learned anything from CTS but may know someone who did. They may be carrying on (to the next power) rumors from other jealous people they might have heard from. Who knows?
And because a few teachers had wispered jealous remarks to each other about his forms being ‘fake’ (because he choreographed them), does that make his skill fake? Uh, no. You have even heard them wisper this about Chan Poi. I have heard them wisper this about half a dozen well known teachers in NYC’s Chinatown. They make fun of guys who came here as teen-agers, studied for a few years in Hong-Kong or Canton, and then started teaching the Americans. 35 years later, they are well respected, but truly, what have the really learned? I’ve got a friend in Hong Kong (Yes, Noone knows who it is) who mentioned to me about a few teachers that are actually considerded NOONE back East - even less then a ‘someone’. He laughed at quite a few of them…
Sifu Frank Yee helped my teacher out the most when he came to this country. He had him teach his own students for YEARS! Why? He also had them pay top dollar the the time. Why would he do that. Sifu Yee told me that Chan Tai-San made $4,000 in the first month or two that he taught at his school. Is Yee a bad guy, trying to decieve and his students by letting them learn from a guy who you say is fake? NOT!!! Just to help a guy out that had no value? Hardly…
And as far as my Sifu being a drunk? He was a diabetic, not a drunk. I’ve seem him drink one beer at dinner and have trouble keeping his head up. I’ve seen him have a drink maybe a dozen times over a dozen years. He liked to play lotto. He smoked. Those were his vices. He was not a drunk. Where do you even get this stuff??
Fact is - CTS’s stuff was very very good. I’ve been all over the country and in China as well. I’ve been training for 26 years and seen a lot of schools. I’ve worked as a consultant for over 13 years in the martial arts business industry, and it’s allowed me meet more school owners than you can shake a stick at. I’ve seen a lot. CTS was a high level practitioner. He killed people and fought with his KF. He fought in world wars and the cultual revolution. He grew up around famine and poverty and fought to stay alive. He wasn’t politically correct and he wasn’t a diplomat. He was a very ‘rough around the edges’ Kung-Fu guy, who spent the better part of 60 years, learning and training in Kung-Fu. They guy started training at 8 years old and was still learning stuff well into his forties.
And for a little validation, my friendly trolls, ask Sifu Frank Yee. He and I sat in Toi-San and listed to people talk about what a tough fighter CTS was. About his fights and what he and his classmates went through during their training.
I’m sure you could ask Yee about this, but you probably would get in trouble if he found out who you are, Noone,…posting and talking sh1t. I thought you were already told not to do this sh1t. Oh..that’s right. THAT’S why you hide your names
Go down Gung Fu road you know what it is? english is bad and good when i feel the need to take my time but im posting so much i couldnt be bothered to even correct myself for you lot. I am chinese my mother is from taiwan another clue to my family history! Look up in chinese online and find out for yourselves?
Your above post was very clear. Now you’re insulting Bak Mei. You also insulted David Chin’s technique on the other forum. Clock is ticking troll boy… tick tick tick
