is this facts?

[QUOTE=SimonM;1112171]The people you are debating are interested in CMA, in Chinese culture, philosophy and religion.

If you look at my book shelf you’ll find the Dedaojing, the Analects, the Zhuangzi, the Sunzi, several ch’an texs from China and Vietnam, a copy of the Qran (but, of course, the Islamic influence on Chinese thought isn’t likely something you will want to admit to), the Anecdotes About Spirits and Immortals, Sanguo Yanyi, etc.

I am not ignorant of the Asian mystical tradition or it’s religious and philosophical origins boyo, regardless of what you want to think.

I’m also a rational sceptic and prefer to be shown some sort of proof of efficacy.

Any proof. I’m not being particularly picky. But I haven’t gotten proof from you, just attitude and dispersions about my level of erudition. And that got my back up.

So, you know what, put up or shut up.
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Books reading understanding, no matter how many books you read, those are just one’s speculation according to one’s mind set. it is said dead reading. The most of this type of people are just books worm which is no can do. one can read tons and tons of these type of people in the Chinese history.

you know, your issue is you dont have any or proper transmission. in Kung Fu, no proper transmission, no cultivation means not even entering the door, not entering the door means no kung fu.

speaking of Chan, you read the books,
You think Shen Hui of Shao Lin is so stupid to stand in the snow and chop off his own arm just to beg Damo for Zen’s proper transmission or ? he can just read a few books and sutras while he does what he does?

think twice.

from your posts, you obviously have never studied under the real sifu who has the proper transmission who passing the transmission to you.

On another hand, you want to talk about Yiquan’s strenght and weakness? just reasoning like you do is not good enough because those are just empty talk.

the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan’s standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi’s San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer’s punch? how many in an mmA’s take down…etc?

you want go real, tell me how many of them?

if one cant even identify these momentum generation mechancis, that means one is doing blind practice. as in any engineering blind practice with no parameters control cannot have good repeatability, not to mention without knowing these doesnt know the boundary. and without boundary condition one just flying blind.

Flying blind is no kung fu. kung fu is precise and concise and evoke at will.

your rational mind doesnt worth much in the eyes or real kung fu practioner with proper transmission in Xing Yi and Yi quan.

Kung fu is not a philosophy not a culture but some thing real which could stand the details analysis in a physics lab and evoke at will when needed.

So, Chinese Kung Fu? you havent seen yet. In my humble opinion, humble because there are lots of croching tiger and hidden drangon in this world and I dont know it all.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112231]Books reading understanding, no matter how many books you read, those are just one’s speculation according to one’s mind set. it is said dead reading. The most of this type of people are just books worm which is no can do. one can read tons and tons of these type of people in the Chinese history. they have big ego and big pride but no can do…[/QUOTE]

While you speculate about what you THINK other people know first hand or not! If it doesn’t agree with you, if it doesn’t come from some nutcase Master you approve of, it MUST be book learning, because only the magnanimous, AND humble, Hendrik KNOWS what is best and true!:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112231]
from your posts, you obviously have never studied under the real sifu who has the proper transmission who passing the transmission to you.

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I’ve had it up to here with your “humble opinions” b!tch.

You want to know about my Sifu? Read the September / October 2010 issue of KFM. He’s profiled there. You are an ignorant, deluded, little LARPER and I’m done with you.

the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan’s standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi’s San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer’s punch? how many in an mmA’s take down…etc?

The whole argument would be null in void, and you would be the winner if you would just explain how modern physics explains the many different types of momentum generated during standing on stake. Why havent you?

[QUOTE=SimonM;1112239]I’ve had it up to here with your “humble opinions” b!tch.

You want to know about my Sifu? Read the September / October issue of KFM. He’s profiled there. You are an ignorant, deluded, little LARPER and I’m done with you.[/QUOTE]

You cant even take reality check.

name dropping got nothing to do with or proper transmission. famous people also got nothing to do with or proper transmission.

[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1112241]the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan’s standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi’s San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer’s punch? how many in an mmA’s take down…etc?

The whole argument would be null in void, and you would be the winner if you would just explain how modern physics explains the many different types of momentum generated during standing on stake. Why havent you?[/QUOTE]

Tiaji1983 if tweedledeluded and tweedlemouthboxer were willing to discuss the underlying physics this wouldn’t be such an issue. I’ve asked repeatedly for them to explain the Yiquan tendency to move the arms without turning at the back or hips, to explain how this is in keeping with “internal” power generation principles, or ANY power generation principles in fact, and the response has been insults to me and then to insult my Sifu. I do not take such insults lightly.

They aren’t interested in any real discussion. They just don’t want their fantasies interfered with and, with heaps of internet courage the brave mouthboxer Hendrick is perfectly willing to insult anybody who challenges his fantasies of [SIZE=“7”]real ultimate power!!![/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112231]your rational mind doesnt worth much in the eyes or real kung fu practioner with proper transmission in Xing Yi and Yi quan.

Kung fu is not a philosophy not a culture but some thing real which could stand the details analysis in a physics lab and evoke at will when needed.

So, Chinese Kung Fu? you havent seen yet. In my humble opinion, humble because there are lots of croching tiger and hidden drangon in this world and I dont know it all.[/QUOTE]

If Xing Yi and Yi quan can stand the details of analysis in a physics lab then they ARE rationally based and the rational mind IS WORTH MUCH to a REAL KUNG FU PRACTITIONER!!

You don’t actually think before you post something do you?:rolleyes:

Well this all went well for yiquan.

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1112246]

You don’t actually think before you post something do you?:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

No, he doesn’t. :mad:

[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1112241]the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan’s standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi’s San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer’s punch? how many in an mmA’s take down…etc?

The whole argument would be null in void, and you would be the winner if you would just explain how modern physics explains the many different types of momentum generated during standing on stake.

Why havent you?[/QUOTE]

why havent me?
because winning is not my goal.

let me tell you,
there are 4 types or more in Yiquan and ancient power/momentum generation.

using these basic 4 types, one could control the acceleration, momentum trajectory, momentum transfer, and penetration.

any one who claim to have good fajin or dealing with momentum knows how to handle these. otherwise, one simple flying blind.

Thus, i dont buy the BS or sung and knowing mechanics can fajing. those are just BS from those who has no idea what is going on.

so what is the 4 types? do you know? how to handle them? how is your body condition to generate them? Dont give me Sung. those means nothing.

the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan’s standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi’s San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer’s punch? how many in an mmA’s take down…etc?

The whole argument would be null in void, and you would be the winner if you would just explain how modern physics explains the many different types of momentum generated during standing on stake. Why havent you?

Simon M, then why didnt someone just post ^ that earlier and end the discussion instead of feeding the arguments? I say let it go. If hes not willing to explain it, one of 3 things is going on.

  1. He doesnt know or it doesnt exist. But it does in some ways but not how I understand its being explained.

  2. Hes afraid to give the “secret,” because hes afraid someone will use it to thier advantage and beat him. In which case is dumb, because if his style is truly internal, he would have an advantage over anyone who starts learning it because hes been practicing harder and longer with a skilled teacher.

  3. Or he just doesnt want to share or teach, hes just here to tell people they could never understand it, and go find a teacher and leave it at that. In which case, even if his chung fa is superb, hes no good to anyone here, because no one is learning anything and is just getting frustrated about being belittled.

I dont think its the 3rd option because he already taught me something

I Liq Chuan Master Sam F.S. Chin once said, “Most internal guys had spent all their life to train power generation, but thier power deliever system suck big time.” I strongly agree with his statement. That’s the problem for this so called “internal” CMA system.

I’ll be much more interested to discuss “how to delieve a punch on your opponent’s face” than just the theory about power generation. You had leaned power generation when you were young,. If you haven’t kill any lion with your fist yet, your power generation suck. Just move on and get into something more advanced.

[QUOTE=SimonM;1112245]Tiaji1983 if tweedledeluded and tweedlemouthboxer were willing to discuss the underlying physics this wouldn’t be such an issue. I’ve asked repeatedly for them to explain the Yiquan tendency to move the arms without turning at the back or hips, to explain how this is in keeping with “internal” power generation principles, or ANY power generation principles in fact, and the response has been insults to me and then to insult my Sifu. I do not take such insults lightly.

They aren’t interested in any real discussion. They just don’t want their fantasies interfered with and, with heaps of internet courage the brave mouthboxer Hendrick is perfectly willing to insult anybody who challenges his fantasies of [SIZE=“7”]real ultimate power!!![/SIZE][/QUOTE]

I expect, those who have big name and thinking they know it all when doing a critics on Yiquan, clearly spell it out,

such as

there are 4 basic power/momentum generation mechanics. what Yiquan have and what Xing Yi lack or what Yiquan lack and what Xing Yi has.

due to Yiquan’s power generation, how is the acceration, how is the momentum trajectory, how could it be intercept or not intercept…etc.

not some kind of speculation, some name droping, some philosophy which got nothing to do with the topic.

it is all about do one knows the subject in details. it is technical technical technical. if you know that details you can evoke it and repeat it, if not then you dont have the kung fu.

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112260]I Liq Chuan Master Sam F.S. Chin once said, “Most internal guys had spent all their life to train power generation, but thier power deliever system suck big time.” I strongly agree with his statement. That’s the problem for this so called “internal” CMA system.

I’ll be much more interested to discuss “how to delieve a punch on your opponent’s face” than just the theory about power generation. You had leaned power generation when you were young,. If you haven’t kill a lion with your fist, your power generation suck. Just move on and get into something more iadvanced.[/QUOTE]

Since I Liq Chuan is also internal and a partial Yiquan type. So which class of internal guy he belongs to? and which class you belongs to?

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1112260]I Liq Chuan Master Sam F.S. Chin [/QUOTE]

is another total fraud.

[QUOTE=tiaji1983;1112258]I dont think its the 3rd option because he already taught me something[/QUOTE]

I told you there are 4 basic momentum mechanics type. the rest is not my issues, you need to find a sifu who has the or proper transmission to coach you to cultivate kung fu.

there is no way one could learn kung fu in forum chatting. information is useless if one has no sifu to coach one properly.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112265]Since I Liq Chuan is also internal and a partial Yiquan type. So which class of internal guy he belongs to? and which class you belongs to?[/QUOTE]

I don’t konw how to answer your question and I can’t answer for Sam either. As I had said, I only care about whether my punch can knock my opponent down or not.

[QUOTE=Water-quan;1112267]is another total fraud.[/QUOTE]

Beside bad mouthing, you have never contribute to a details in kung fu.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1112261]I expect, those who have big name and thinking they know it all when doing a critics on Yiquan, clearly spell it out,

such as

there are 4 basic power/momentum generation mechanics. what Yiquan have and what Xing Yi lack or what Yiquan lack and what Xing Yi has.

due to Yiquan’s power generation, how is the acceration, how is the momentum trajectory, how could it be intercept or not intercept…etc.

not some kind of speculation, some name droping, some philosophy which got nothing to do with the topic.

it is all about do one knows the subject in details. it is technical technical technical. if you know that details you can evoke it and repeat it, if not then you dont have the kung fu.[/QUOTE]

What you’re saying is, unless someone knows the full logic, method, ideology and system of yiquan, then they have no right to mention that yiquan guys can’t even hit a punch bag with power.

Ok. Awesome.