[QUOTE=lunghushan;726232] If I hadn’t of let go at exactly the right time, he would have wound up on his head. But if I hadn’t have grabbed, he wouldn’t have known the usefulness.
Trying to pull that off in sparring without breaking his head or neck would have been really difficult.
Judo and kickboxing and grappling were designed specifically not to injure the opponent greatly in a sport environment. And even so, accidents happen that seriously injure people.[/QUOTE]
That’s why we train on mats… so we can dump each other on our heads over and over and over again without worrying about seriously injuring each other. That way we get really, really good at doing it for real against a live, resisting opponent. That way we can do it to an opponent and not have to worry about not being able to seriously hurt him if we need to.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;726245]That’s why we train on mats… so we can dump each other on our heads over and over and over again without worrying about seriously injuring each other. That way we get really, really good at doing it for real against a live, resisting opponent. That way we can do it to an opponent and not have to worry about not being able to seriously hurt him if we need to.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, whatever. I’ve watched people breaking their arms on mats and sprain their necks.
The bottom line is you’re doing kickboxing and grappling which were designed so you don’t get hurt as much.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;726248]Yeah, whatever. I’ve watched people breaking their arms on mats and sprain their necks.
The bottom line is you’re doing kickboxing and grappling which were designed so you don’t get hurt as much.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the fact that we get hurt more often and more seriously than people who do “street self-defense” pretend fighting pretty much negates that point.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;726255]Actually, the fact that we get hurt more often and more seriously than people who do “street self-defense” pretend fighting pretty much negates that point.[/QUOTE]
I guess I forgot my target audience. Anyway, I have no idea why I got back on here again, I’ll leave once more.
Again,
– good schools like this in NY??
[QUOTE=lunghushan;726258]I guess I forgot my target audience. Anyway, I have no idea why I got back on here again, I’ll leave once more.[/QUOTE]
no need to rush away.
there are many more lurkers (readers and non posting) would be reading your posts.
I happened to like your point about safety in sparring. Just kind of another big topic to respond in a short post. actually it deserves a new thread.
[QUOTE=MattEl;726266]Again,
– good schools like this in NY??[/QUOTE]
Dude, this guy is one of the best teachers in the entire world. It is tremendously insulting that you are even asking about other schools. You might as well just do boxing.
huh, wait-- which guy? I’m not trying to insult anyone. I don’t know anything about kung fu. I told you I’m new to this. Which guy?
[QUOTE=SPJ;726271]no need to rush away.
there are many more lurkers (readers and non posting) would be reading your posts.
I happened to like your point about safety in sparring. Just kind of another big topic to respond in a short post. actually it deserves a new thread.
:)[/QUOTE]
It’s useless to discuss. Bottom line is, this is the UFC MMA crowd. That’s the target audience. So of course they think sparring is the end all be all of training. “Keep it alive.” LOL
Well I’m open to that, but when you said ‘this guy is one of the best teachers in the world’ – were you referring to the Pachi Tanglang guy or Yang Fukui? (I’m not looking to prepare for an octagon either). I’d like to know who you meant.
[QUOTE=MattEl;726273]huh, wait-- which guy? I’m not trying to insult anyone. I don’t know anything about kung fu. I told you I’m new to this. Which guy?[/QUOTE]
I don’t study with him, but I have some of his baji videos (in Japanese, lol).
I don’t think you can do better in the NYC area, unless his training is watered down now because of his age.
Well I mean, even if he’s got high ranking students doing a lot of the teaching (no idea), wouldn’t it still be good since he’s directing the program?
[QUOTE=MattEl;726277]Well I mean, even if he’s got high ranking students doing a lot of the teaching (no idea), wouldn’t it still be good since he’s directing the program?[/QUOTE]
Totally depends. I’ve seen teachers with good high ranking students, and teachers without. You should consider them teachers in their own right, so if they are great, then by all means, study.
But this guy is top notch. Extremely good shen fa, body movements, everything done crisp and precise, good applications. In short, I would study with him except I’m 3000 miles away.
Of the people I would study with, given the chance to move anywhere, he’s on top of my list right now.
See, you think you need sparring. But the thing is, what can you really do sparring? Basic punching and kicking, and some grappling.
If you try to do a lot of takedowns and throws in sparring, you can seriously wind up maiming your opponent if they don’t land right or don’t get out of a lock right.
Anyway, I’m not saying don’t do sparring. But sparring is really just a drill for some basic techniques.
Okay, well this is slightly off topic, but then what (aside from the fact that you love it) motivates you to study kung fu? (If not learning it for octagon-street fighting, etc.) What is your core style?
[QUOTE=MattEl;726279]Okay, well this is slightly off topic, but then what (aside from the fact that you love it) motivates you to study kung fu? (If not learning it for octagon-street fighting, etc.) What is your core style?[/QUOTE]
I don’t really have a core style. I don’t list a style because I don’t study any style.
There is enough cross-pollination within CMA IMHO that most everybody does the same things, just with different forms and emphasis.
As for motivation. ??? I don’t honestly think that I will ever have a confrontation with somebody, but when you’re peeing at a rest stop it might give you more security to think that if somebody attacks you from behind, you aren’t totally clueless about what to do.
But really, I think that martial arts is kindof a curse. Because once you spend some time in it and effort you don’t want to stop because of all the time you already invested. (Unless of course you get a family and they don’t let you spend the time, in which case your life is kindof over. LOL)
but you love it, right?? (dumb question)
[QUOTE=MattEl;726284]but you love it, right?? (dumb question)[/QUOTE]
No, like I said, I think it’s like a fricking curse. LOL How can you love practicing boring moves over and over again???
I guess, if you want to enjoy martial arts you should probably pick a nice easy style where you can go and spar with people, and with easy forms where you can get belts and recognition.
Anyway, I shouldn’t discourage you from training martial arts because you’ll have your own reasons to train.
It sounds like you want to do sparring, so maybe you could find a good sparring school. The only ones I know of in NYC are karate, Kyokushin and World Oyama. It sounds like Sifu Ross also has a good fighting school.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;726109]So, how do you train to spar with traditional techniques, without reverting to “gweilo kune?” The $64 question.
It is probably one of the biggest puzzles facing the traditional arts these days[/quote]
I guess what I’m wondering is why that would be if the techniques are effective? And why are we reducing sparring methods which incorporate modern methods to “gweilo kune?” If it’s not pure CMA, we get “white people fighting?”
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;726109]So, sparring in TCMA, and I am only talking about TCMA, is not a simple proposition. The “Cure” is just as often the “Poison”.[/QUOTE]
The Greek “pharmakon.” Why do you suggest that sparring is a “poison?”
Sparring teaches you the most important skills in fighting. Technique is not the most important skill. You learn timing, speed, distance, what works, and what’s dubious. How do you suggest learning these skills without sparring?
“Knowing what to do” is not the same as being able to pull it off proficiently.
No sparring at all = Bad. It’s something you should at least experience, even if you don’t do it regularly. It’ll be a very obvious yard stick for you to measure what you’ve learned.
Sparring too soon = Bad. If you succeed with a move that wasn’t executed properly, simply because the opponent doesn’t know what he’s doing, you’re gonna get overconfident. Believe me, because it happened to me. This can be smacked off a bit, if your opponent is a whole lot better then you, but that quickly turns more into a two man drill then a sparring match.
Anyone who tells you “you should be sparring by this time” is either dreaming, or lying. You’re gonna take your own amount of time getting to that point, depending on your personal drive to train, your ability to pick up the style, and your natural instincts. If your instructor’s worth his salt, he’ll know when you’re ready.
And don’t be afraid to not be ready. That can set you back alot more then you’d think.
Just don’t stay not ready. 