[QUOTE=Judge Pen;858801]The 80s tournament again. :rolleyes: I preferred the respectful communications I had with your teacher on that topic. I’ve spoken to at least three different eye-witness accounts of that event, and it differs from person to person. But as I’m certain that you and I weren’t eye-witneeses, we have nothing that we can contribute toward that dead-end discussion.[/QUOTE]
The form you are talking about i can not view it at my work computer (my company has a block on certain sites). But I can tell you that Ng Family Style Kung Fu teaches 6 harmonies Here are a few e-mails directly from my sifu to me about 6 harmonies kung fu when we were discussing Ng Style and some other issues a while back.
E-MAIL #1
Dear Mark,
“The Mother of all Styles”? hehe-
What makes the difference; is the Harmony that exists between the 3 internal styles . For instance- Tai Chi is based on simply Yin and Yang neg./pos. ect…
Yin and Yang in Change is Ba- Gua Zhang but only pertaines to the Palm Changes specifically - however it is based on Taoist elemental changes pertaining to Palm changes. The only thing that makes change possible is the Elements thus;
Xing-I based on 5 elements like- Earth, Water, Fire, Metal, Wood -But this style like Ba-gua is only pertaining to 5 fists—However elemental changes are universaly exepted within the Tao- these elements have both Yin and Yang present and Xing-I uses the 5 fists based on elemental priciplas. However Xing-I’s direct translation means Heart–Will.
Basically to make the long story short -Man’s will is separated from our heart from birth-we move in contrary to the universal harmony. In order to put things back into harmony we practice that what is in harmony which has been derrived from the animals- Now I cold give a 1 week lecture on all this but I am only going to explain Six Harmonys;
Internal;
Yin- Yang-------“Thats the Mother”
Elements------- Are what makes change possible (developed through yin and yang)
8 Diagrams---- Simply the octagon that designates various stated of elemental changes
Now because China has its roots in Taoism - Martial Arts became directly effected in development by the Tao- However because the Tao is just the way- it is not suject to interpritation; it is what it is. Simply “the way”
It is a mathmatical way to defne all things. This would be considered to be a devine or spiritual understanding thus “Internal in nature” 3 Harmonies
Because it is virtually impossible to practise only by spiritual means physical action is applied to a internal philosophy- thus Animals (Physical) with internal thought (Yi) movements.
Each 6 Harmonies Style has its own interperatation of the 3 physical phylosophy- In-fact I have seen on the web many who gave their opinions to interpretations of the 3 externa lharmonies with the brief desriptions of the internal-
One of the bigest issues is in the Internal - too many only focus on physical- they talk about body alignment and movement- but to explain the internal relationships are imossible for those who can not see , Hear, smell, touch or feel-- Internal really means to be Yi driven (In the mind) to move in harmony. This is the short version- I hope it explains alittle- I know it is kind of confusing but I didnt expect to have to write it so fast to explain something that takes a life time-How do you explain your Spirt? Your Mind? Your Will? and where does it originate?
How about yor Brain or Body now those are easy you can see them or feel them- but not things pertaining to the Spirit- People can not comprehend that what they can not see or sence physically- So how do we teach them?
To be continued on lesson 2!
Sincerely
Sifu
E-MAIL #2
Well even the styles you mentioned can have Six Harmonies to initiate the movements- in-fact there are such six harmony methods already. It would be like asking how do I know where the wind begins? You dont- you just feel the breeze- So to answer your question-“By the results”.
Dont get me wrong- there are so many Six Harmony styles unfortunatly it isnt the style that signifies the intent- its the intent that signifies the style. So this is why I am so dissapointed when I hear about specific Six Harmony methods and being explained by movements- externally speaking, If the intent is pure and in Harmony so will the movements-
Please understand that when we start speaking to deeply about Six Harmony, it is impossible to do so without bringing the devine natureinto it. I dont normally even talk about this stuff especially on a forum- Just relize the Tao is simply the way of the world. It can be dangerous to stay within the Tao when we practise, as martial artists; because our intent is to deceive or manipulate- “Make your opponent think you are far when yo are near”
It is completely impossible to acheive complete harmony in this way and actually very dangerous spiritually speaking. Just understand that the Tao is a physical way to acheive a devine understanding- and for that we learn when we are ready to accept it- not by training just by yeilding.
Just one more thing (our Will is not a good thing to have)- This is what keeps us within the Tao and enevitably staying in circles for a lifetime. Up down, hot cold, black white, male female- we are taught from the beginning of our lives to always resist the action- through martial training we learn to acept,(Most people would be satisfied with the results) However if the intent is to manupulate or deceive or to get your Will, this is the danger I speak of. Remeber when I mentioned Xing-I and the separation of Heart and Mind- at the moment our Minds become separated from the heart- “the ego is created” Our ego’s will be our Will- If we continue to study in this manner for a life time- can you imagine how bent we become? and how we would ultimatly become what we hate. So to simplify, and as the Tao states; Yin will become Yang and Yang will become Yin- or good will become bad and bad will become good. How do I not become subject to a study that I put my faith in (MA)?
By finding the Devine Nature- it is ultimatly the Will not ours. Its a small path very few find it but those who do, can experience a complete change- a real change and one not subject to action reaction of the world.
“Keep up your hard work!”
Sincerely
JD
Those are some e-mails from my sifu to me on Six Harmonies which is a big part of Ng Family style kung fu.
I got to thinking and I thought since the Shaolin Do guys have a thread thats pretty much occupied by Shaolin Do students why not start a thread for all the students of Grandmaster John Wing Loc Ng and Ng Family Style Kung Fu. If anyone here is or was a student of GM Ng’s or a student of one of his students please introduce yourself and tell a little about yourself or say whatever you want.
