http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf42bsTXnY&mode=related&search=
overhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCU64CwmYc&mode=related&search=
right punch
His form reminds me of hop gar big time, and I read that he is a kajukenbo fighter…they do kung fu as well as other styles.
I’m wondering if anyone has knowledge on chuck lidell’s punching style?..it’s a unique method of boxing…almost reminds me of fighting from a side horse stance instead of a front boxer stance.
I think you may be onto something.
[QUOTE=Mega-Foot;765590]I think you may be onto something.[/QUOTE]
I know:) more i watch it, gets me thinking…buddy is throwing ridgehand overheads
his spinning backkick is sweet..i’m guessing that jump footwork is muay thai??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkeL605fOiQ
[QUOTE=diego;765586]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqf42bsTXnY&mode=related&search=
overhand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BCU64CwmYc&mode=related&search=
right punch
His form reminds me of hop gar big time, and I read that he is a kajukenbo fighter…they do kung fu as well as other styles.
I’m wondering if anyone has knowledge on chuck lidell’s punching style?..it’s a unique method of boxing…almost reminds me of fighting from a side horse stance instead of a front boxer stance.[/QUOTE]
Chuck Liddell is a Kickboxer, Collegate Wrestler, 5th Dan in Hawaiian Kenpo and a Purple Belt in BJJ. He owns a school in San Luis Obispo called “SLO Kickboxing” and he trains with John Hacklemann of “The Pitt Hawaiian Kenpo School”
[QUOTE=SenseiShellie;765593]Chuck Liddell is a Kickboxer, Collegate Wrestler, 5th Dan in Hawaiian Kenpo and a Purple Belt in BJJ. He owns a school in San Luis Obispo called “SLO Kickboxing” and he trains with John Hacklemann of “The Pitt Hawaiian Kenpo School”[/QUOTE]
yeah i was reading something online about how hawain kenpo is kajukenbo pitfighting…do you have any knowledge on the angles he’s using?..reminds me more of kung fu than western boxing with the whole build up and follow through.
He tends to cut off the ring for his opponent. Chuck is a master at using the cage for fighting. Plus, his instructor, John Hackleman is a trained fighter. Here’s a link to the Pit’s website.
Here’s the history of The Pit
http://www.thepitmma.com/Our_style.html
And this should answer the question about if Chuck is doing Hop Gar. Here’s what The Pit Hawaiian Kempo is made up of
[QUOTE=diego;765591]I know:) more i watch it, gets me thinking…buddy is throwing ridgehand overheads
his spinning backkick is sweet..i’m guessing that jump footwork is muay thai??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkeL605fOiQ[/QUOTE]
thats the horse back kick, and not a spinning back side kick. this one u see in cma and in okinawa systems.
that i sthe way I was taught to throw a spin back kick-fu mei gerk. Koreans are more known for the turn around side kick, but most CMA do it as a back kick, as well as in Tang Soo Do. But if you wanna call it a horse kick, I’m sure the horse won’t mind.
[QUOTE=diego;765596]yeah i was reading something online about how hawain kenpo is kajukenbo pitfighting…do you have any knowledge on the angles he’s using?..reminds me more of kung fu than western boxing with the whole build up and follow through.[/QUOTE]
nah, no hop gar. boxing has hooks, overhands, haymakers, long hooks and uppercuts - all very circular strikes. it has the angling footwork mentioned in one of the other posts as well. that is called cutting off the ring, or stalking.
[QUOTE=Kristoffer;765629]thats the horse back kick, and not a spinning back side kick. this one u see in cma and in okinawa systems.[/QUOTE]
We have a back kick as well as a spin side.
As usual, instead of explaining the difference, he poo poos one kick for another.
For one, his explanation of a spin side is done wrong and is too close.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;765657]nah, no hop gar. boxing has hooks, overhands, haymakers, long hooks and uppercuts - all very circular strikes. it has the angling footwork mentioned in one of the other posts as well. that is called cutting off the ring, or stalking.[/QUOTE]
Kill joy.
BTW, That overhand right is NOT boxing. AT ALL. Stop trying to diminish everything to this screwed down tiny little world view. Not EVERYTHING exists in the few “sanctioned” styles. He may not be doing hop gar, that isn’t the point.
kajukenbo had some cross fertilization with hop gar at some point. you know how kaido learned from ng yim ming? and one other guy did too..
I actually may have to agree with Abel here. I have made a amatuer study of boxing in both my own self defense methods and just because I love the sport both old and new but if we are talking modern boxing I have not come across that strike in the context of modern pugilism.
Now, there are MANY strikes in boxing that are just one variation of another so it could exist but its not in the land of common use if we are looking at the big picture.
I believe this strike comes from his kenpo training. I have a strike that looks just like it that I picked up from the McSweeny powerhitting kenpo system that looks almost exact but instead it uses star of the palm to connect.
Very nasty wide arching blow, which from what I understand is actually a gung fu strike put back into system from a man named Jim Woo. It’s the strike you see Hackney use to down that 400 pound Sumo wrestler in the early UFC.
[QUOTE=SifuAbel;765662]Kill joy.
BTW, That overhand right is NOT boxing. AT ALL. Stop trying to diminish everything to this screwed down tiny little world view. Not EVERYTHING exists in the few “sanctioned” styles. He may not be doing hop gar, that isn’t the point.[/QUOTE]
yeah,yeah. I just think the whole thing is kinda pointless. I don’t look at fights and say “hey, I wonder if his jump knee is from muay thai - it kinda looks like it…”
[QUOTE=SevenStar;765678]yeah,yeah. I just think the whole thing is kinda pointless. I don’t look at fights and say “hey, I wonder if his jump knee is from muay thai - it kinda looks like it…”[/QUOTE]
well i don’t do muay thai dummy, so my question is not pointless…my stepdad’s teacher kaido was a mixed martial artist that taught primarily kajukenbo-hopgar…he had black belt in kaju and was taught some hopgar…it’s the kajukenbo method to create your own method once you learn say the original emperado method (think there is 4 original methods)…but i heard there was beef with students and he got shot so the style went nowhere…can’t even find it on the kajukenbo websites…
anyway his hopgar drills very much fit the ringfighters format with just the whole shadowboxing attitude oppossed to the classicaly trained dancer attitude of a traditional martial artist we are so accustommed to seeing…i’m knowing Muhammed Ali had karate black belts while he was champ, and he was fruit of islam for the noi so he was def doing weapons training and all that as a bodygaurd for the noi…I look at guys like ali and lidell, and i’m loving that parisian judo guy…i look at all these ring fighters that have traditional base, and that makes me look at my style. I\m enjoying picking my kungfu apart after sparring with my mma buddy for the last year and just having this hungry interest for the angles in muay thai and the funky monkey stance bjj guys make up when they do sht like triabgle choke…I look at the socalled traditional animal/statue postures these guys make while under pressure in the ring and the sht fascinates me:)
so why is ish pointless?
[QUOTE=htowndragon;765673] and one other guy did too..[/QUOTE]
another kajukenbo guy did to?..I’ve heard differant things about kaido and don’t know if his buddy studied hop gar and showed it to him or he got it directly?..no idea..you know something about someone else?
i don’t think kaido’s style became official kajukenbo before he died and it’s kinda fuqt up…heard something about he didn’t like the whole paying fees and that…felt like he was better or something…i look at his forms and compare them to others and it makes sence…his is the sickest kajukebo i seen, but maybe that’s cuz i’m a kung fu fan..
yeah it’s kinda messed up…heard he had beef with students and then got killed…i can’t find anything mentioned on him in the popular sites…makes me wonder if something shady happenned…
from what i remember, let me see if i can find any info.
i think its someone named mario or something, i dont know if he was a kaju guy
[QUOTE=htowndragon;765696]i think its someone named mario or something, i dont know if he was a kaju guy[/QUOTE]
yeah northern shaolin posted on this forum ng yim ming got killed by triad, i heard the stories on kaido…i don’t see much info in the popular culture…i know kaido was real, his student philip gelinas is one of the original dog brothers…sled dog i beleive and he got mad degrees in mma and he be like yeah all i know is kaido’s kung fu works and before he died he told me watch out for the old men with sticks..then he went and made a name for hisself doing kali and all that
http://www.montrealmartialarts.com/
his website
yeah, peeps seem to not know much about kaido, but my stepdad told me some interesting info:)
dig up what you can, that would be cool.
peace
[QUOTE=diego;765683]well i don’t do muay thai dummy, so my question is not pointless…my stepdad’s teacher kaido was a mixed martial artist that taught primarily kajukenbo-hopgar…he had black belt in kaju and was taught some hopgar…it’s the kajukenbo method to create your own method once you learn say the original emperado method (think there is 4 original methods)…but i heard there was beef with students and he got shot so the style went nowhere…can’t even find it on the kajukenbo websites…
anyway his hopgar drills very much fit the ringfighters format with just the whole shadowboxing attitude oppossed to the classicaly trained dancer attitude of a traditional martial artist we are so accustommed to seeing…i’m knowing Muhammed Ali had karate black belts while he was champ, and he was fruit of islam for the noi so he was def doing weapons training and all that as a bodygaurd for the noi…I look at guys like ali and lidell, and i’m loving that parisian judo guy…i look at all these ring fighters that have traditional base, and that makes me look at my style. I\m enjoying picking my kungfu apart after sparring with my mma buddy for the last year and just having this hungry interest for the angles in muay thai and the funky monkey stance bjj guys make up when they do sht like triabgle choke…I look at the socalled traditional animal/statue postures these guys make while under pressure in the ring and the sht fascinates me:)
so why is ish pointless?[/QUOTE]
I know you don’t do muay thai… anyway the search for knowledge is never pointless. it’s the crap that is sometimes fueling the search that irritates me. my first thai coach showed us a lot of thai self defense - things you don’t learn in a ring only class. I am guessing it is some of the chaiya, lopburi or whatever other remnants are in what is now called muay boran. I take it for what it is - thai martial art. I don’t look at other arts for parallels, as they will be there - the body can only move so many ways.
overhand, haymaker, sow choy - who cares? same principle, likely a slightly different delivery.